Re: Some new clues!

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Hi.

I might have some new clues to solve this problem. Remember i mentioned that
Console Applications would run? I created a new console application, and
added a reference to System.Windows.Forms, and called
System.Windows.Forms.MessageBox.Show("Hello World!"), which is probably the
simplest Windows Forms related thing i could do. I wrapped this inside a
try{}catch{} block, and wrote the exception to a file.

The exception can be viewed at a http://jonas.greit.no/ex.txt

I really dont know what's wrong. It says it cant find System, but that
can't be true, since i'm using the base libraries when writing a Console app
(System.Console.WriteLine() etc.)



So, what do you think?

"Jonas Follesø" wrote:

> I just ran TAP.EXE for the first time. The previous images have been built on
> the "WinLogon" component in the "test" section under software. This time i
> allso importet the pnq file and got 32 hardware devices added. Really cool.
>
> However, the problem and error remains the same. This is really starting to
> irritate me. Is it really this hard to get a. NET app to run?
>
> This is my GART comonent: Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to AGP
> Controller
>
>
>
> "KM" wrote:
>
> > Jonas,
> >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > I havent added any Display Device Drivers yet. At the moment i'm running in
> > > standard VGA (640x480x16). Didnt want to bother with setting up drivers
> > > before i had .NET up and running. Think i need to add the "ATI Mobility
> > > (Dell-P)" component (that's the graphic card in the laptop).
> >
> > It has been known that video driver problems affected GUI application appearience and some system components.
> >
> > > What's the GART componet?
> >
> > Slobodan already covered that in his post.
> > Basically, you were missing agp440.sys from your image.
> >
> > If you happened to run TAP on that device, in the imported PMQ file you will see what "..Processor to AGP Controller" component
> > should be there.
> >
> > > I'll see if i can get my hand on a 512MB CF card. Was hoping that i didnt
> > > have to buy a new one, so I'll see if some of my friends has one i can use.
> >
> > This will help you on long run anyway.
> >
> > > Didn't quite get what to do with the XP Pro Emulation slx file..?
> >
> > Well.. You will have to open the project, add your platform macro and resolve all its dependencies. Change Configuration Target
> > device settings appropriately. Then just build and deploy the image on the same hardware. However, be aware that the image will be
> > around 700-800 Mb so you will need to use your old HDD which should be be enough to fit the post-FBA image (~1G).
> >
> > KM
> >
> > > "KM" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jonas,
> > > >
> > > > You've got some driver problems on your device. Likely irrelevant to your problem with .Net but still.. Does the video driver
> > work
> > > > at runtime? Check it out with Device Manager or devcon. From SetupApi.log, it seemed that, e.g., you are missing a GART
> > component
> > > > (agp440.sys).
> > > >
> > > > Btw, 18M worries me much. Any chance for you to switch (at least temporarily for development and testing purposes) to 512M card?
> > > > Just make sure it is marked as fixed.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards,
> > > > KM, BSquare Corp.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I've uploaded my SetupAPI.log file to http://jonas.greit.no/setupapi.txt.
> > > > >
> > > > > Copying the .NET Framework Redistributable installation file to the CF card
> > > > > isn't possible with my current configuration (which is basicly Winlogon +
> > > > > .NET), since there are only 18MB available space (and the installation file
> > > > > is 23MB).
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to check out XPProEmulation now and see what it is and if i can
> > > > > get it to run.
> > > > >
> > > > > Allso interesting that Giggsy is having the same problems as I am. I really
> > > > > hope we'll figure this one out.
> > > > >
> > > > > "KM" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jonas,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Comments inline...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The log files where captured on the running Windows XP device, which is
> > > > > > > booting off a 256MB compact flash. When i connect the CF card to my developer
> > > > > > > computer (the one i'm using right now) CF cards are assigned to I:. So,
> > > > > > > that's why it's called I:.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I see. I appologize I missed that part from your previous message where ou explicetely mentioned you plugged the card to
> > your
> > > > > > dev.computer. Now it is all clear.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What bothed me was that why the FileMon log showed that the
> > > > C:\WINDOWS\assembly\GAC\System.Windows.Forms\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e08
> > > > > > file was missing from your runtime. But you are saying that it is there when you explore the disk content offline. I can
> > only
> > > > assume
> > > > > > that after the first HelloWorld usage, .Net creates GAC repository on the fly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...>
> > > > > > > I've swaped the noisy 2.5" IDE hard drive with a 256 MB compact flash card,
> > > > > > > using this CF -> 2.5" IDE adapter: http://www.pcengines.ch/pic/cf2e.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is the card marked as fixed? (are you able to create more than one partition on the card?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The computer has a PIII 500mhz CPU and 128MB PC100 SO-DIMM RAM, and an ATI
> > > > > > > Mobility screen adapter. That's the specs i was able to dig up online. But,
> > > > > > > as i said, It's a Dell Inspiron 7500.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've uploaded my FBALog.txt file to: http://jonas.greit.no/fbalog.txt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing obvious in this log. Pretty much the same file&dir structure as on XP Pro.
> > > > > > Maybe something in \windows\SetupApi.log?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, any method may help you figuring out the issue. On the top of your current image (with the .Net included), try to
> > manually
> > > > > > install the .Net package from MSDN. If the HelloWorld app would work then you are missing something and it will be easy to
> > catch
> > > > > > with tools like RegSnap or Inctrl5 (since you are going to do the manula install on the top of already included .Net
> > component -
> > > > the
> > > > > > Registry monitoring tool log won't have too many entries mentioned).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And one more thing you could potentially try out. There is XPProEmulation project on www.xpefiles.com that icnludes
> > virtually
> > > > every
> > > > > > software component from Xpe database (there are versions for SP1 and SP2). Use it (with SP2 no need to add .Net, with SP1
> > you
> > > > will
> > > > > > have to add .Net 1.1 QFE component) and see if you are able to repro the issue. If not, you are missing dependencies from
> > your
> > > > own
> > > > > > runtime.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regarding software:
> > > > > > > ...>
> > > > > > > Then, on the Pocket PC (running Windows Mobile 2003, .NET CF 1.0 SP2) i'll
> > > > > > > write a remote controle application using the remoting server on the frame. I
> > > > > > > know that .NET Remoting isn't supported by .NET CF 1.0, but if you expose
> > > > > > > your remoting server using SOAP (not binary), you can simply add a web
> > > > > > > reference and access the methods like any ASP.NET Web Service (even tough the
> > > > > > > service is hosted inside the picture app, not IIS).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I never tried that. But the article you mentioned explains how to use it.
> > > > > > Although only simple types would be availale throuhg Web Reference since SOAP messages are parsed for Web Services. But it
> > > > should
> > > > > > work for your simple methods.
> > > > > > Anyway, you know your apps better than I do :-) Btw, why you are not prototyping with XP Pro (instead of XPe?). then if
> > works,
> > > > you
> > > > > > can easy move to XPe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've done some work using OpenNETCF, and will probably use it for the
> > > > > > > feautures needed that arent supported by the core framework. The way i see
> > > > > > > it, OpentNETCF is kinda like .NET CF 1.5, with lots of the stuff missing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yup. That is the correct understaning. I would also add that OpenNetCF components on the top of core are very useful for
> > many
> > > > > > different projects.
> > > > > > (frankly, I sometimes not even consider using .NetCF without OpenNetCF)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > KM, BSquare Corp.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "KM" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jonas,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I:? You must have sent me the wrong logs then because they show all the file requests made to C:.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > JIT debugger error is not necessarily about the RAM available. But I am now forced to ask you about the system
> > > > configuration.
> > > > > > What
> > > > > > > > you are deploying to? What media presented on the target during FBA and post FBA? How does the FBAlog.txt look?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Btw, you may really want to have .Net 1.1 SP1 component added to your image (not just .Net 1.1) if you are using SP2.
> > You
> > > > will
> > > > > > find
> > > > > > > > that component on XPe SP2 installation (CD, etc.) under VALUEADD\MSFT folder.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As to the .Net Remoting... I did not quite got why you mentioned "pictures"? Do you have a client app running on Pocket
> > PC?
> > > > > > > > What type of connection you are planning to set up between the XPe and Pocket PC device? (IrDA, WLAN, etc.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The final decision is going to be up to you. But if you really good with C# but not C++, Web Services technology would
> > save
> > > > you
> > > > > > days
> > > > > > > > of development so I'd suggest you to stick with .Net Remoting. Btw, instead of .NET CF I'd recommend you to look into
> > > > OpenNetCF
> > > > > > > > stuff which has many classes that will be helpful to you in this project.
> > > > > > > > Hope your Pocket PC device is not with the first release of the .NET Compact Framework which did not support remoting.
> > (I am
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > even sure if it is there for 1.x version. But it is there for 2.0 beta, IIRC).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > KM, BSquare Corp.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The file:
> > > > > > > > > I:\windows\assembly\gac\System.Windows.Forms\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.Windows.Forms.dll
> > > > > > > > > allready exsists on the XPe image (I: is the CF attached to my developer
> > > > > > > > > computer using a card reader).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How ever, i might get closer to an answer. I think it's my memory problem,
> > > > > > > > > becaouse during FBA i got this error (i redeployed the image):
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Fatal Execution Engine Error (0x792dc38e)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Registered JIT debugger is not available. An attempt to launch a JIT debugger
> > > > > > > > > with the following command resulted in an error code of 0x2(2). Please check
> > > > > > > > > computer settings.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > cordbg.exe !a 0x1b4
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If i click OK a few times the FBA runs through and the computer boots up
> > > > > > > > > just fine. But, obvious there is something bogus going on... I tought i was
> > > > > > > > > sooooo close to get this thing to run... Looks like getting more RAM or
> > > > > > > > > forgetting about .NET and doing this in C++ are my only options?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I was hoping to use .NET Remoting on the frame to enable remote control
> > > > > > > > > using a pocket pc and .NET CF. Say i do this in C++, how hard is it to do
> > > > > > > > > sockets programming and reading some kind of input, like next picture,
> > > > > > > > > previous picture, pause and play?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm a decent C# developer, but have never written a single line of C++... So
> > > > > > > > > i _really_ want C# (so easy to consume my "person aware web service" etc.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "KM" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jonas,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the logs and the viewer app.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just an idea... At runtime can you copy the System.Windows.Forms.dll from
> > C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > C:\WINDOWS\assembly\GAC\System.Windows.Forms\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089 (you will have to create this folder).
> > > > > > > > > > Then start your HelloWorld app and see if it helped anyhow.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If it did not, please copy the C:\WINDOWS\assembly\GAC\System.Windows.Forms\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089 folder from
> > XP
> > > > Pro
> > > > > > > > machine
> > > > > > > > > > (with .Net 1.1 installed there) to your runtime, reboot XPe image and start the HelloWorld again.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > KM, BSquare Corp.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Since you cant load log files into FileMon or RegMon, and viewing them as
> > > > > > > > > > > plain text files can be a pain in the ass, i wrote a little log viewer in C#.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You can download it off http://jonas.greit.no/MonLogViewer.zip
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It simply loads the log files into a list view that you can sort and remove
> > > > > > > > > > > rows from. If you remove un-needed rows you can save the new stripped file to
> > > > > > > > > > > disk.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Jonas Folleso" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I've uploaded the log files at:
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://jonas.greit.no/regmon.txt
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://jonas.greit.no/filemon.txt
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > HelloWorld.exe is a C# Windows Forms application in it's simplest form.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Simply selected "New project - Windows Forms - Build in release". I havent
> > > > > > > > > > > > made ANY changes, and it's not configured for localization (culture neutral).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Any help would be greatefully appreciated.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "KM" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonas,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried running both filemon and regmon on the computer, but not sure what to look for.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is hard to advise not seeing the log. Any chance for you to save, attach and post the Logs to this thread?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I'd suggest you to first analyze there the misisng (FILE NOT FOUND) components (FileMon log).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the last registry actions before the app crashes is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > language lookup. I tryed setting the app to only support English (since
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's the only language supported on the XPe computer) but with no luck.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In your application do you use only English resources?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I allso tryed adding a try-catch block around the entrypoint of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > application. This should catch any exception caoused by the application and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > display it in a MEssageBox. The exception never get caought, so the error has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing to do with my code, but the JIT/Runtime.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you app runs fine on XP Pro, you may think it is not your app code that cause the problem.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > KM, BSquare Corp.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "KM" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonas,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only suggest you to monitor the broken app launch with RegMon/FileMon to see what's missing there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I think this is a bug of XPe (I guess SP2?).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just did some more testing and built a simple C# Console Application
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > displaying the current date and time, and it ran perfectly. A windows
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application doing the same thing caouses the error mentioned in the first
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post in this thread. So, obviously the .NET Framework is installed, but the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem has something to do with WindowS Forms Applications.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Jonas Folleso" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I didn't install it manually, i added the .NET Framework 1.1 component to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the image. The image is based on the "WinLogon Sample Macro" component.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "KM" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Jonas,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Sounded like you installed the .Net Framework at run time manually. Any particular reason not to use
> > the
> > > > ..Net
> > > > > > > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > XPe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > repository?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Alos, what is your image based on - Minlogon or Winlogon?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > KM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > I've finnaly managed to installed the .Net Framework and boot my Windows XPe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > image. I've copied a hello world application to the XPe computer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > When I execute the hello world.exe file. I get this exception immediately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > CommonLanguage Runtime Debugging Service
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > "Application has generated an exception that could not be handled
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Process ID=0x704(1796), thread id = 0x710(1808)"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Can any one tell me what went wrong, do I need to install any additional
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > components? I have the "autoresolve dependency" setting turned on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > -Jonas
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