Re: Minlogon RBS Depoloyment

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From: KM (konstmor_at_nospam_yahoo.com)
Date: 11/03/04 

Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:23:50 -0800

Mark,

Depending on what you got on that machine (another disk you can boot off XP Pro or floppy you can boot off DOS) you have options to
use SDIMgr (/readpart /readdisk switches) or sdi2hd DOS tool to capture the image in to a SDI file.
Although, for the ramdisk image I believe you must have PART blob in your image and therefore you have to use SDIMgr to capture the
image.

I did not quite get this "what packages would I need to include if for example I wanted to use "NET USE" to share a drive". What you
meant by packages? Components?
Please keep in mind that you have to capture the image off the target device storage.
Also, just a note that to support network and net.exe you image will grow from 20Mb to at least 40-50Mb (can't get your the right
estimate but the point is that it will grow in size). 

-- 
 Regards,
        KM, BSquare Corp.
> Slobodan -
>
> Hey I distributed my minlogon sdi image to a machine that we had around the
> office, it went through fba, and now I have a machine with an image on it
> that I can't get off......What do you think is the best approach to recapture
> this image, and what packages would I need to include if for example I wanted
> to use "NET USE" to share a drive?  Or are there any other viable
> alternatives?  Remember this is the most basic minlogon I could make, so I
> might have to remake it to include things like net use and other utilities to
> get it off.
>
> "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
>
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > > What you're saying is that a Minlogon SDI image using RBS has to run through
> > > FBA on the target machine.
> >
> > It has to run trough FBA so all components are dynamically installed and registered. But it does not necessarily has to be on
target
> > machine.
> > You can usually later boot same image (Based on Standard PC and generic drivers) on any computer and wait few extra seconds
added by
> > PnP process while it detect and install new hardware instances. (This almost always happen is some amount even with same device
> > types).
> > But you should be aware about issues with ramdisk and seeing HDD on target device (covered by search link I gave you) and modify
> > post FBA registry offline accordingly.
> >
> > Anyhow same XPe image can be made to boot on any computer type without additional FBA processes. :-)
> >
> > > Sorry to be such a pain, but I sincerly appreciate the help.
> > No problems just ask what you need to be clarified :-)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Slobodan
> >
> >
> >
> > > I don't understand how I can do that.  I have a completely blank pc (target)
> > > and a win2k server machine with RBS and all the embedded products.  I made a
> > > minlogon image and built it into an sdi disk, dismounted and setup rbs.  All
> > > I want to do is get an image to a system that doesn't have any cd/floppy/etc.
> > >  So from the help in the forum, one of the only ways I can figure out how to
> > > do that is use minlogon and xxcopy or robocopy from a network share to do
> > > this.
> > >
> > > Instead you're telling me what I have to do is somehow get the minlogon on
> > > the physical machine and then copy back to an sdi image, and then be able to
> > > load it using RBS?  Then copy a larger image using the minlogon dos prompt?
> > > Forgive me for being blunt, but that really sucks, because I'm going to have
> > > to load images on about 3-4 different machine types, so I have to run the
> > > minlogon fba on each image, for each machine type?  Thats not very diverse.
> > > Not to mention then load the actual image that I want, around 200+ mb.
> > >
> > > BTW forget WINPE, I have the two embedded disks, but they're copies so we
> > > didn't damage or loose the origional, and all the files are there, but it
> > > won't boot winpe.  I think it got fubared in the copy, the problem is we
> > > can't find the oringals now......Otherwise I would use WINPE in an Remote
> > > Installation services instance, and distribute the image using xxcopy.  I'd
> > > love it if someone could suggest a remedy to that.
> > >
> > > Sorry to be such a pain, but I sincerly appreciate the help.
> > >
> > > -Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A windows RamDISK image, that supposed to be loaded using RBS, possibly in a
> > > Diskless Sitatuon has to run through FBA
> > >
> > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Mark,
> > > >
> > > > 1. You must (or at least should) run trough FBA on target machine.
> > > > 2. Then shutdown.
> > > > 3. Create SDI file from post FBA image.
> > > >
> > > > Please read trough following threads you will find many useful info directly and indirectly related to what you want to do.
> > > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=ramdisk&meta=group%3Dmicrosoft.public.windowsxp.embedded.*
> > > >
> > > > Read also with associated links:
> > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnxpesp1/html/ram_sdi.asp
> > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/remboot/html/xpconRemoteBootOverview.asp
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Slobodan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mark" <Mark@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:54CDB63E-DAC6-43C6-B307-A2FAC5587F5B@microsoft.com...
> > > > > Hey Slobodan-
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't quite understand how I can run through FBA in a ramdisk image,
> > > > > especially when it just loaded into memory and then stops.  All I'm trying to
> > > > > do is what has been suggested to me, create a minlogon, load it with RBS, and
> > > > > deploy a larger image by mounting a network share, and using robocopy or
> > > > > something similar.
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically Slobodan, I used target designer to create a minlogon using their
> > > > > sample macro, left the default settings, added the windows ram disk driver.
> > > > > I'm looking at the Target Device Settings adn the Boot Drive is C:, Windows
> > > > > Folder is C:\Windows, etc etc.  I didn't know if I was supposed to change
> > > > > that.  I created a 25 mb sdi image, wrote the disk signature using computer
> > > > > management, formatted using fat.  Built the image directly to the image,
> > > > > dismounted the image, placed it in the proper directory, and then setup rbs
> > > > > with the image.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, this offset concept is new to me, I've read about BLOB and a bunch of
> > > > > other things but I have no idea what I'm supposed to do, any clarification
> > > > > would be really great, the msdn lit is very thorough on theory, but skinny on
> > > > > example process.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your help,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Mark,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you run trough FBA before creating that XPe image?
> > > > > > Also have you used C: for OS volume letter?
> > > > > > Also what offset did you used to partition data in SDI file?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Slobodan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mark" <Mark@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A1E97306-89F2-447B-A1C1-6A43E82B547B@microsoft.com...
> > > > > > > Ok so I figured out that problem, apparently it won't accept a path to the
> > > > > > > image it must be the name of he image, and be located in the RBS
> > > > > > > folder....but now I have a new issue...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It loads the RamDisk image and says...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
> > > > > > > <Windows Root>\system32\hal.dll
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please reinstall a copy of the above file.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mark" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hey guys,
> > > > > > > > After some help from KM and others in the forum, I decided to go the
> > > > > > > > Minlogon/RBS approach of distributing my image.  I created a minlogon image
> > > > > > > > of about 17-20 mb, using the macro, added the Windows RamDisk component to
> > > > > > > > the image, and tried to use the RBS Manager to start the minlogon image.  I
> > > > > > > > know it works because I have used the reboot.com program and it successfully
> > > > > > > > reboots.  However when I use the minlogon sdi Image, it says
> > > > > > > > "Windows Could not start due to an error while booting from a RAMDISK.
> > > > > > > > Windows failed to open the RAMDISK IMAGE."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas or shots in the dark?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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> >

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