Re: Windows XPe - Sorry, Getting Feed UP

From: KM (konstmor_at_nospam_yahoo.com)
Date: 10/19/04 

Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:12:11 -0700

Richard,

> > Many CF Manufacturer sell cards with already fixed bit set.
>
> Yes, my Industrial Sandisk is already preset, but can you imagine in true
> IDE Mode, hooked directly to the IDE Cable, you would have to power down
> and reboot on each and every CF you copied? Not Hot Swappable.

Well.. This is XP Pro architecture which was not developed with throughts of embedded applications.
This is why many of embedded developers don't consider XPe as a trully embedded OS but rather a componentized version of XP Pro.

> > You don't need Bootprep if you partition and format your target storage
> under XP Pro. This is true if you use FAT or NTFS.
> > I guess XPe docs are not clear about this.
>
>
> Maybe I'm missing something here. If you were to use NTFS, you would have
> to have 1) a True IDE to CF adapter then
> 2) Partition and Format the CF 3) Copy the Image to it, 4)Turn Off the
> computer, remove the CF, Install another CF, Boot the computer.
>
> This is productive?

No, it is not :-(

I should have not mentioned "partition" there. Just formatting.
If you want to have only one partition with FAT or NTFS, you can do that with the XP Disk Manager.

> > > concentrating on Longhorn, what a crock. Fixing some of these bugs
> wouldn't take that much effort.
> >
> > This is not true. It is much effort when it comes to testing :-( It is all
> about available resources and business cases that promise to pay off the efforts.
>
> Ah, I didn't pay $1100 to Test the Development Kit, I paid the money to
> build images and test the images I built and them rapidly deploy.

You should not have paid for the dev tools but rather try it with the Eval Kit (my own rule for an expensive product) :-)

> Nope, our embedded device has no provisions for Floppy. Not controller. I
> could use a USB Adapter, but then I'd be right back to square 1. No CD
> Either. The only time a CD was hooked up was to Install XP Pro and Run TAP.

The same (CD hook-up) you might do for the deployment, I think.
Anyway, I think I understand your problems. It would definitely help you much not dealing with the CF fixed/removable bit. :-(

> > The development costs for XPe is lower then, say, Linux Embedded. To
> create a complete solution with LE (I am not saying which is
> > better) you got to be more a developer. While in XPe world you don't need
> to know much about programming (well.. it always helps
> > anyway).
>
> Yes, I agree, because most everything you want to do with any of them
> requires you to be a programmer. Very common reply in these newsgroups.
> Oh, that can be done with the DDK.

This is true for any OS. If you know how it works internally, you will be better with the OS build tools.
That is why I never trust advertisements that one don't have to be a developer to do "this and that".

> I know Linuix has CF Tools that allow USB and CF to be managed. Our sister
> company, which uses Linuix, and which tried to talk me into using linuix
> copies CF all day long on a USB CF Writer.

I wonder if they work with CF removable or fixed? If so, it would be for MS to consider that as "a competitor already have it" item.

> A lot of this is simply me venting, but some of it just plain doesn't make
> sense. If your doing several hundred or thousand of these devices, it
> should be made very easy to duplicate the CF. (Actually it is except for
> the BootPrep Tool).

I agree. But at the same time, more handy tools from MS - less job positions for us, XPe devs :-)

KM

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