Re: Windows XPe - Sorry, Getting Feed UP
From: KM (konstmor_at_nospam_yahoo.com)
Date: 10/19/04
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:53:22 -0700
Richard,
I agree with some of your points. I believe is that MS is working on many, many improvements in the tools area for LH embedded.
> I'll tell you, This is another frustrating deal from Microsoft! Another
> fine Product which is never geared around Productivity. Why in the world
> can't you do simple things from one machine!
>
> For Instance some of the BS.
>
> Install XP Pro on the Target and Run TAP, if that is the case, a limited
> version of XP Pro should come with it so we don't have to buy another $289 item.
Why don't use WinPE? It is free and it comes on XPe/SP1 1st CD.
> XP will not partition CF Drives unless you get a utility from the CF
> Manufacturer that changes a bit. If that is the case, why doesn't Microsoft
> allow us to ignore that bit, evidently once the bit is changed Windows can treat it the same.
Many CF Manufacturer sell cards with already fixed bit set.
> Programs like BootPrep must be run in a pure Dos mode, well isn't that sweet
> since everyone is doing away with DOS. Your telling me whatever Bootprep
> does can be handled from with a Windows environment?
You don't need Bootprep if you partition and format your target storage under XP Pro. This is true if you use FAT or NTFS.
I guess XPe docs are not clear about this.
> Everytime you turn around, it buy this or buy that or kludge this or here is
> a workaround. And not fix all the freaking bugs in TD because they are
> concentrating on Longhorn, what a crock. Fixing some of these bugs wouldn't take that much effort.
This is not true. It is much effort when it comes to testing :-( It is all about available resources and business cases that promise
to pay off the efforts.
> A single tool should be able to prepare the disk and have it ready to boot
It wouldn't be a good idea to do everyhting with a single tool. Then, as a XPe dev, you don't have much control over the process.
> with your image. Not Build and Image to CF then have to boot into dos and
> run bootprep then go boot the target. No more Dos and No More floppy's
> but yet a high dollar piece of software like this requires both.
You don't need DOS if you have CD-ROM or USB option on your target (WinPE or XP Pro are options to go with).
However, there are many target devices that don't have CD-ROM included. They may have floppy option, thouhg. At least at development
time. As you can imagine, it is hard to fit XP or even WinPE on a floppy disk. That is why DOS is still around to be used with XPe.
> These folks are dealing with commercial companies which depend on these
> products to work and work properly. No wonder development costs are sky high!!!
The development costs for XPe is lower then, say, Linux Embedded. To create a complete solution with LE (I am not saying which is
better) you got to be more a developer. While in XPe world you don't need to know much about programming (well.. it always helps
anyway).
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Regards,
KM, BSquare Corp.
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