Re: Complete XP-Pro using XP-Embedded ?
From: Slobodan Brcin \(eMVP\) (sbrcin_at_ptt.yu)
Date: 06/24/04
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:31:17 +0200
Hi Emanuil,
It might seem foolish to add and add and .... But this is how you should do it.
Also you won't need 1-2 GB of XP files but rather 200-400 MB to have all functions you will need.
Then there is one sentence you said: "Of course we don't need the IE, Outlook, MediaPlayer, the games and so on ..."
Without that you can use minlogon based images. 60-150 MB in size.
So you actually do not want to have full XP Pro like image after all. (Not even close)
Read thread you might find info from there useful for making similar thing to support all hardware or printers you can think of:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=OQtaAc7BEHA.3400%40tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl
Also you can have add new hardware wizards in your image. And have support for USB and non USB modem and printer devices. With some
work you can do this.
Also use http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=microsoft.public.windowsxp.embedded
for searching this NG you will find answers to many questions you might have.
Regards,
Slobodan
"Emanuil Achim" <each@mro.man.de> wrote in message news:ek341GdWEHA.2840@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi !
>
> Thanks for your quickly answer. First of all: IT'S ALL LEGAL. I work (as
> developer) for a big company which manufactures printing machines. This
> machine are obsereved and manipulated from a "industrial PC" (not for
> desktop usage), on the PC (currently Windows NT) runs only our software,
> nothing else, no office and no other software. The operator works with only
> one programm (ours). But for service purposes the costomer needs a modem
> (VNC over RAS), or for some formulars needs a printer. We deliver the
> printing machine and the configured PC, but not a printer or modem, so it
> will be installed from the customer.
>
> The idea with XPE comes from ... a Microsoft consultant. Today they have no
> more NT license to sells, but NT-embedded. Th MS consultant together with
> some company bosses analysed the situation and recomanded us XPE. Now, I
> must analyse if this is the best way for us and for our customer (we deliver
> in the whole world). We cannot say to our customer "please activate your
> windows" for example, we talk about hundred or thousands of units. Of course
> we don't need the IE, Outlook, MediaPlayer, the games and so on ...
>
> What I missed ?
> For ex. the modem was recognized and installed, but was not recognized as a
> modem in Device Manager but was installed under "other devices" (question
> mark), so I cannot use it. The "modems"-section is missed at all.
> So I don't want to have all printers an modems in the world as components of
> my XPE, but if the customer wants to install its own driver for any extern
> hardware, it must be the same simplicity as in XPPro is. And we don't want
> to have our custumor as our beta tester. It is not acceptable to change the
> image evreytime a customer needs another periphery. The current (Windows NT)
> image was changed last time on year 1999. This is legal, isn't it ?
>
> Its true, this kind of usage is diffrent as the most, but is not unusual.
>
> Best regards,
> Emil
>
>
>
> "KM" <konstmor@nospam_yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:O31s$KcWEHA.1356@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Emanuil,
> >
> > Comments inline...
> >
> > > Is it possible to make a complete XP-Pro using XP-Embedded ?
> > > I red on the Microsoft web pabe in the XPE FAQ:
> >
> > Have you thought about the image usage then? Most likely it will not
> follow
> > XPe legal rules.
> >
> > > Now, what I need is a "fully Windows XP Professional" as Windows XP
> > > Embedded. (Why ? for customer industrial PC, no activation, lower price
> > then XP-Pro
> >
> > I am not sure what an "industrial PC" would need full XP Pro on it and all
> > its features.
> > As you closer to XP Pro as the application of your image/device is more
> > illegal (not legally proved formula but just a common sense). Don't forget
> > that MS does not put XPe as a XP Pro competitor (at least not directly).
> >
> > > , no Office used and so on ... ). Is it possible to obtain this ? How
> > > ? I tried many things (XPProEmulation - from http://www.xpefiles.com/
> too)
> > > but at the end I allways missed something.
> >
> > What did you miss? If it were a software component I'd be supprised.
> > XP Pro Emulation project was created by an automated CMI script. Basically
> > the script has collected all the components under Software category. That
> > mean no human/manual errors.
> >
> > > I couldn't make on the target
> > > system (XPE) the same things that I do on the XPPro target System (such
> a
> > > special printer or modem installation for example).
> >
> > Are you talking about some printer or modem drivers? Then XPProEmulation
> > will not help you as it has only Software components in it. Gathering ALL
> > the hardware components in one image (SLX) would take forever and would
> > probably eat too much RAM (way too more than 2G/4G available for an app).
> > Remember that there are 11,000+ components in XPE database and XPe Tools
> are
> > VB script based.
> > That would be much easier to just directly copy all the necessary driver
> > files to the appropriate image directories.
> >
> > > I guess usually you will bild an XPE-Image from nothing adding more and
> > more
> > > components until you'll become your desired target system. But it's
> > foolish
> > > to add and add and add until you have the complete system. Is there such
> a
> > > possibility, to have the complete system ?
> >
> > It is not foolish to "add,add,add" if you consider true embedded device
> > usage scenerios. Usually you have particular requirements you have to meet
> > creating an image. I have never seen an embedded requirement to support
> all
> > the XP Pro features.
> >
> > KM
> >
> >
>
>
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