Re: Complete XP-Pro using XP-Embedded ?

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From: Emanuil Achim (each_at_mro.man.de)
Date: 06/24/04 

Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:57:47 +0200

Hi !

Thanks for your quickly answer. First of all: IT'S ALL LEGAL. I work (as
developer) for a big company which manufactures printing machines. This
machine are obsereved and manipulated from a "industrial PC" (not for
desktop usage), on the PC (currently Windows NT) runs only our software,
nothing else, no office and no other software. The operator works with only
one programm (ours). But for service purposes the costomer needs a modem
(VNC over RAS), or for some formulars needs a printer. We deliver the
printing machine and the configured PC, but not a printer or modem, so it
will be installed from the customer.

The idea with XPE comes from ... a Microsoft consultant. Today they have no
more NT license to sells, but NT-embedded. Th MS consultant together with
some company bosses analysed the situation and recomanded us XPE. Now, I
must analyse if this is the best way for us and for our customer (we deliver
in the whole world). We cannot say to our customer "please activate your
windows" for example, we talk about hundred or thousands of units. Of course
we don't need the IE, Outlook, MediaPlayer, the games and so on ...

What I missed ?
For ex. the modem was recognized and installed, but was not recognized as a
modem in Device Manager but was installed under "other devices" (question
mark), so I cannot use it. The "modems"-section is missed at all.
So I don't want to have all printers an modems in the world as components of
my XPE, but if the customer wants to install its own driver for any extern
hardware, it must be the same simplicity as in XPPro is. And we don't want
to have our custumor as our beta tester. It is not acceptable to change the
image evreytime a customer needs another periphery. The current (Windows NT)
image was changed last time on year 1999. This is legal, isn't it ?

Its true, this kind of usage is diffrent as the most, but is not unusual.

Best regards,
Emil

"KM" <konstmor@nospam_yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:O31s$KcWEHA.1356@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Emanuil,
>
> Comments inline...
>
> > Is it possible to make a complete XP-Pro using XP-Embedded ?
> > I red on the Microsoft web pabe in the XPE FAQ:
>
> Have you thought about the image usage then? Most likely it will not
follow
> XPe legal rules.
>
> > Now, what I need is a "fully Windows XP Professional" as Windows XP
> > Embedded. (Why ? for customer industrial PC, no activation, lower price
> then XP-Pro
>
> I am not sure what an "industrial PC" would need full XP Pro on it and all
> its features.
> As you closer to XP Pro as the application of your image/device is more
> illegal (not legally proved formula but just a common sense). Don't forget
> that MS does not put XPe as a XP Pro competitor (at least not directly).
>
> > , no Office used and so on ... ). Is it possible to obtain this ? How
> > ? I tried many things (XPProEmulation - from http://www.xpefiles.com/
too)
> > but at the end I allways missed something.
>
> What did you miss? If it were a software component I'd be supprised.
> XP Pro Emulation project was created by an automated CMI script. Basically
> the script has collected all the components under Software category. That
> mean no human/manual errors.
>
> > I couldn't make on the target
> > system (XPE) the same things that I do on the XPPro target System (such
a
> > special printer or modem installation for example).
>
> Are you talking about some printer or modem drivers? Then XPProEmulation
> will not help you as it has only Software components in it. Gathering ALL
> the hardware components in one image (SLX) would take forever and would
> probably eat too much RAM (way too more than 2G/4G available for an app).
> Remember that there are 11,000+ components in XPE database and XPe Tools
are
> VB script based.
> That would be much easier to just directly copy all the necessary driver
> files to the appropriate image directories.
>
> > I guess usually you will bild an XPE-Image from nothing adding more and
> more
> > components until you'll become your desired target system. But it's
> foolish
> > to add and add and add until you have the complete system. Is there such
a
> > possibility, to have the complete system ?
>
> It is not foolish to "add,add,add" if you consider true embedded device
> usage scenerios. Usually you have particular requirements you have to meet
> creating an image. I have never seen an embedded requirement to support
all
> the XP Pro features.
>
> KM
>
>

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