Re: Finding the Control Panel Applets With Change Icon Dialogue Box

From: Chad Harris (ddram32_nospam_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 06/29/04

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    David--

    There was no question in 1-3. I appreciate a lot your trying to make this
    understandable to me, and will work with the info later on today. You
    didn't say how you go after icons within XP if you want to change them; I
    was looking for any ways to improve that over the hit and miss method I use
    and the 3rd party apps i know about. I don't know if many others share my
    frustration that Windows XP's "Search" is markedly erratic, but I suspect
    some do since there are a number of web sites devoted to that topic. You
    simply cannot rely on it to find all folders even when you have enabled it
    maximally. I only hope MSFT's enthusiasm for improving the mediocre search
    on its site announced yesterday by Mr. Gates will impact the search in its
    next OS reloaded XP or Longhorn:

    http://news.com.com/Microsoft+prepares+for+search+assault/2100-1038_3-5249975.html?tag=nefd.top

    Thanks,

    Chad Harris

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    "David Candy" <david@mvps.org> wrote in message
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    Can yopu rephrase 1, 2, and 3. I don't see a question in them.

    4. Take Control Panel. It is a Namespace Extension (NSE) like My Computer,
    the Desktop (not the desktop folders), Fonts, Schedule Tasks, & Network
    Neighbourhood. Folder Options (and the desktop IE icon) is a seperate type
    of NSE and not called that. It is defined by registry entries. But there
    needs to be some file with code in it to give it behaviour.

    Control Panel, and most of the ones I mention, are in Shell32.dll. These are
    virtual folders.

    EG. There is no My Computer Folder but their is code in shell32 that looks
    for drives and other things and makes it appear as a folder. With Fonts (I
    think it also is shell32) the things it shows are also in the folder but
    what you see is a program listing fonts not the contents of the folder, even
    though they are closely linked. It is a NSE for the special font vieing
    commands and so dragging a file in causes it to actually install the font -
    the font's don't HAVE to be in the fonts folder to be displayed - it just
    has to be installed. With My Docs it is identical to a file view it is a
    program showing it (It's a NSE so you can have a custom property *** for
    it, else it wouldn't need to be one).

    If you search the registry for ShellFolder you'll find all the ones on your
    machine. There is also code in shdocvw that can allow anyone to make their
    own simple NSE just by registry entries (called a Shell Instance Object).
    It's simple because it has 2 behaviours (and sone sub options) only to
    choose from.

    The Start Menu is another which is why dragging files to it cause a shortcut
    not a move/copy.

    The shell namespace is different to the file namespace.

    In shell talk it is
    Desktop\My Computer\C Drive\boot.ini

    in file talk
    C:\boot.ini

    Programs tend to use file paths not shell paths. Explorer ISN'T a file
    manager but a namespace browser (as is IE). 

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"Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> David--
>
> I need some guidance and thanks--you made it easy to find ______cpl.dlls.
> Here's what I did, and I have a couple questions and would like to know if
> you go after icons that aren't favicons in Windows (and from 3rd party
> downloads and apps)  how you do it and how you'd do this.
>
> 1) I have long been collecting icons by adding .ico onto urls, then 
> changing
> dragging to the desktop and changing their name and storing them in a
> favicon folder (or dragging them out of TIFs before they disappear on a 
> TIF
> clear or a reboot.
> 2) I haven't used the many 3rd party icon extractors with the system 32,
> zip, downloaded programs and many other folders where icon staches (native
> Windows and 3rd party) are availalbe but just hit or miss as with the 
> system
> 32 folder.
> 3) With your tip I showed all hidden folders/protected Windows and file
> extensions and was able to get a list of  6 cpl.dlls. If you use XP's 
> Search
> on System 32 it turns up 4 interestingly, and if you directly look there 
> are
> 6.  I don't know why search misses 2 of them, but that's not surprising. 
> I
> see it miss folders all the time that I find directly even when you give 
> it
> every possible chance to search.
> 4) What do you mean when you say "or else it's a NSE and most are backed 
> by
> a dll file.  Same story." I don't know what NSE stands for.  Can you help 
> me
> with this.  Is NSE a source of .dlls with icons where I can harvest them?
>
> Thanks a lot for the help.
>
> Chad
> _______________________________________
> "David Candy" <david@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:OpLS7QLXEHA.2852@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> No. cpl are dll files. Browse to the respective cpl and choose the icon in
> that. Else it's a NSE and most are backed by a dll file, Same story.
>
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> "Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:upC8DLLXEHA.644@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > That answers my question then.   And going to  copl files in system 32 
> > is
> > not going to give you anything to apply as an icon substitute.  There is
> > no
> > way quick and direct way then to use those applets for icons.   It would
> > have to be  done by using an icon app, and imaging them and using the 
> > bit
> > maps.
> >
> > Thanks David.
> >
> > Chad
> >
> > "David Candy" <david@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:OPK8lCLXEHA.1128@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > There is no control panel folder. It is contrructed from namespaces
> > defined
> > in the registry or cpl files in system32 directory.
> >
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> > "Chad Harris" <ddram32_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23LQ58UKXEHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > I wanted to get a scanner icon from the control panel applet, and now
> > > the
> > > issue is for me whether I can find a folder with control panel applets
> > > to
> > > use for icons.    I can find a scanner icon one in Scan Sof't's folder
> > > ,and
> > > on in the C:\WINDOWS\system32\stimon.exe folder in the system 32 
> > > folder
> > > to
> > > do this with the Change Icon Dialogue box (reached by right clicking 
> > > the
> > > shortcut, but I couldn't find the Control Panel folder with the 
> > > dialogue
> > > box.   I could probably find an HP Scanner Icon.  What I want to do is
> > > reach
> > > Control Panel Applets for Icons if this is possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >  The Control Panel folder is listed in My Computer as an "Other System
> > > Folder" when you Use the Explorer view "Show in Groups."
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how to reach the Control Panel's folder from the 
> > > Change
> > > Icon Dialogue Box if this can be done (right clicking a desktop 
> > > shortcut
> > > and
> > > going through Properties?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Chad Harris
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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