Re: SP2 makes XP-Home/SP1 CD useless - other PC problems.


"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:uFd6UJoqFHA.1032@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Free..

Re. the OS, I don't remember suggesting that your version is pirated.. re. Win 98, you told us at some point that you had run the OS for some seven years, so it was assumed that you may have upgraded at some point in time..

$$ Not you, it was another person here who suggested SP2 is stopping the downloads because my copy of XP may have been pirated. I only wish I could get this Security issue fixed and get back to FUN things with my PC.

Ensure that you use an HDD diags program to write zeros to the drive.. 

$$ Where do I get one of those?  Is it some kind of program?

the
action will ensure that there is no vestige of any former installation.. you should then do a fresh install.. change no default settings after installation.. install SP2..

With XP and SP2 installed, connect to the internet and download updates.. this will prove to you that it is possible to get updates with SP2 in place, just like a whole bunch of others do..

Then install all of your other stuff.. for sure it will take a while, but at least your system will be working as it should.. if, at any point during the installation of other software, the computer refuses to access update sites, you will have a better idea of what is causing the problem.. 

## This is true.

You can then go to PC Pitstop and check out your machine..

The fact that your camera/scanner wizard no longer works suggests problems and there may be other functions that you have yet to encounter that also may not work.. have you tried System Restore?.. if that doesn't work, you may well have a trojan ore some other nasty lurking in your system..

## That's ANOTHER PROBLEM than came up last night. I run MS Antispyware-Beta every evening. Last night it found and said it removed Trojan.Downloader.BHO.req. I removed the KEY myself. The dlls were not found to rename or remove. I used BHODemon as the website suggested to keep it from starting/loading but couldn't find information on how to REMOVE it except a few sites with a remover. But there again - the Active-X thing cropped up and I couldn't use the online removers. Since MSAS only found this *last night* and scans my PC daily we don't know if this is the problem or not. I ran Spybot, Adaware and Norton and they found nothing - but I did find the key which regenerates itself with each reboot.

Re. security settings, they should be set to medium.. if you have tried changing settings, and there is no ostensible difference in behaviour, again, a worm or trojan could be responsible..

## I'm suspecting this Throjan that MSAS found last night was on this machine BEFORE it was discovered. Is it possible MSAS-Beta missed it until then? Is that possible?

I assume that your default browser is IE6.. some other browsers do not allow Windows Updates, and presumably other updates too.. 

## Yes, it's 6 and always allowed updates before.

You might also want to disable crap like McAfee Privacy service or any other third party program of that nature.. other toolbars that may be duplicating settings that do not allow popups are Yahoo and MSN toolbars.. they should be discarded..

## All I have is the Google bar which I use all the time. Shutting off the Google pop-up stopper didn't help. I'm starting to believe this Trojan is somewhere else on my machine - if only I could find the dlls or some way to use the online removers. I can do it by hand but must know what to remove - and FIND the things!!!!!

you might also check that your av or firewall isn't
introducing settings that may stop downloads.. also check that the Windows Update site is allowed.. 

##  I even went to far as to shut off Norton......  no joy.

Hopefully, you will be able to display this page from the PC Pitstop website.. it will test and help you to enable ActiveX..

http://www.pcpitstop.com/testax.asp


## OK.... I'll get back to you and let you know what happens. I just downloaded a spyware Dr..... will work on this and get back to you.

Thanks so much....... this is looking more and more like a Trojan caused problem..... >:-(

FS~

If I can find out more, or think of something new for you to try, I will post back here..
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Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"~ FreeSpirit ~" <spammenot@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:OQ9ADrnqFHA.2072@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23zFkfzmqFHA.4076@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
You click on the bar and wait a few seconds is what you do.. a window appears and you run, save, download, install, whatever.. it even tells you to click on the bar to enable updates etc..

# No window appears 98% of the time. The only a window opens, asks if I want to allow the Active-X plugins - I click yes - nothing happens. It still doesn't allow the downloads. Sometimes the bar says "click here for more information." If I click there the helpfiles open on the Active-X page. How much plainer can I make this? A WARNING bar shows at the top of the I.E. window with a *yellow shield* saying something about my "Active-X control settings not allowing the page to desplay correctly" and doesn't allow any downloads or scans from MS, HP or Pitstop. How do I STOP this SP2 bar with it's *yellow shield* and Active-X warning from coming up and stopping these websites from doing what they normally do? It doesn't say to click the bar to enable downloads - it says to *click here for more information*. If I click the bar I get the helpfile thing opening explaining about Active-X controls. Why is this so hard to understand? I'm trying to make it as clear as possible.

I am beginning to think that you are a troll..

# I assure you Mr. Hall that I have better things to do then post here and get insults from people claiming my WXP is pirated or that I'm a troll with nothing better to do. I'm here for HELP because I don't know who else to ask and can't afford $75+ to a tech every time a problem appears on my PC. I live in a rural area and even finding one willing to come out here is a real headache.

you have this damn question
going down in multiple newsgroups, and you don't listen to anybody.. I see a new entry to the killfile coming on..

# I have listened! What else can I do? I'm trying to explain the problem and you're telling me to click on a bar that is not there!!!!!! Only a HELP thing appears which opens a helpfile for Active-X information and how to make changes. I make the changes and get the same *click here for more information* bar when I try again.

Just click on the bar.. or find something to do other than computing..

# I click on the bar and some helpfile opens and explains some things about my Active-X setting. If I change them in Security I still can't get the downloads or scans. Is it you only want to handle simple problems here? Not all PC problems are simple as any tech can tell you. And doing a reformat and reinstall of my OS is a massive job that takes many hours because of all the programs and other things on this PC.... I can live with the crapped out scanner and camera wizard but this is something more serious.

FS~ 

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Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"~ FreeSpirit ~" <spammenot@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:e4GK4nfqFHA.2276@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:%236Xq$xYqFHA.1096@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Free

As long as you hold dear your preconceptions that Win 98 outperforms XP, then you will always have problems..

$$ I didn't say 98 *OUTPERFORMS* XP. I said I had almost no problems with 98.

If you upgraded from Win 98 to XP the same machine that you have happily been using for Win 98, unless you upgraded most of it, then many of your problems will be hardware based.. any other problems encountered will be down to you being unable to let go of old Win 98 conventions..

$$ This HP machine was bought brand new from CompUSA 2 years ago this month with WXP-Home/SPA already on it.

Bear in mind that thousands of people across the world power up XP SP2 machines daily, and have no problems with them..

$ Fine - then please tell me how they download updates with the security bar preventing it at any setting in tools/options/security/advanced settings? It ignores all settings and there is no window asking if it's ok to download the Active-X needed. HOW DO I GET DOWNLOADS???

the problems outlined in
these newsgroups are a mere drop in the ocean, and do not point to XP or SP2 being bad and defective products.. if they were, everybody would have continual problems, and this is just not true..

$ Agreed - now how do I disable the security bar long enough to get the updates I want? Reading and following the information didn't work.

Nobody here will force you to stay with XP.. if you feel that Win 98 will give you a better deal, then go ahead and re-install it.. 

$$ See above.

this action will
leave some of us shaking our heads a little, but we are advisors, not Net Police..

$$ Please tell me how to disable SP2 security bar long enough to get updates. How is this done?

FS~ 






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