Re: Losing Tine

'Rainy' wrote:
| I replaced the batter, and forgot to write down the settings.. :(( when
the
| computer booted, it landed me in bios.. where I changed the boot order..
but
| have no idea what other settings will need to be adjusted. When windows
| loaded, the time was 6 years ago and the month was off.. we have adjusted
| the time and date so I don't know yet if it fixed the problem! I"m hoping
| it dif! When I was at Radio Shack, the clerk said that batteries only
last
| for a year or 18 months.. and I mentioned that I was told it could last
for
| 5 years or more.. My friends computer at work has not had to replace the
| cmos battery for almost 8 years! I hope this one lasts that long.. lol
| Thanks for all the help.. Rainy
_____

Not to rub it in, but how many times in this thread was it suggested you
write down the BIOS settings? Computers really are very persnickety. It
ain't complicated, but then it ain't horseshoes either B^) - Ask me HOW I
know computers are persnickety B^)

If you write down ALL the changeable settings for your BIOS and post it
here, very likely you can get a reply that will explain whether any setting
need to be changed from default, and what the new settings should be (some
settings are trivial, the key repetition rate, for example - how many times
a second a key stroke is repeated when you hold it down.)

The time and date being set to six years earlier is pretty standard since
the original versions of many current BIOS cores were written about that
long ago.

Desktop computer CMOS battery life probably depends on what percentage of
the time your system is plugged in to an active AC receptacle AND the rear
panel power supply switch, if any, is turned ON; the CMOS battery is not
used in this circumstance.

Phil Weldon





"Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OxQxMy9zHHA.3848@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|I replaced the batter, and forgot to write down the settings.. :(( when the
| computer booted, it landed me in bios.. where I changed the boot order..
but
| have no idea what other settings will need to be adjusted. When windows
| loaded, the time was 6 years ago and the month was off.. we have adjusted
| the time and date so I don't know yet if it fixed the problem! I"m hoping
| it dif! When I was at Radio Shack, the clerk said that batteries only
last
| for a year or 18 months.. and I mentioned that I was told it could last
for
| 5 years or more.. My friends computer at work has not had to replace the
| cmos battery for almost 8 years! I hope this one lasts that long.. lol
| Thanks for all the help.. Rainy
| "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:JiAoi.9460$rR.5626@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| 'Rainy' wrote:
|| I looked at your earlier post and I don't understand what will happen to
|| Windows.. will windows boot? I understand that bios will be erased.. but
|| don't understand what all that implies! thanks, Rainy
| _____
|
| You need some background here.
|
| The BIOS will NOT be erased if the CMOS battery dies, or during
replacement.
| ONLY some variables like, for example, ENABLE or DISABLE the floppy drive
| will be lost, and if lost, such a setting would default to ENABLE.
|
| When you turn the computer on, a small program permanenty stored in the
BIOS
| checks and sets up hardware. This small program does not depend on
| electrical power for storage. It will still be there after you change the
| battery. [BIOS is an acronym for Basic Input/Output System, the minimum
| program necessary to bring the computer system to the point of being able
to
| start Windows (or whatever operating system is used).
|
| After the initial hardware check, this small BIOS program uses certain
| variables that have been set using the BIOS set up pages OR the safety
| default settings if the variables have been corrupted or lost (because of
a
| dead CMOS battery, or in the process of installing a new CMOS battery. If
| you have never used the BIOS set up pages to change things like, for
| example, what the big button on the computer system front panel does, then
| most likely the default settings have been used. If, when the system is
| started, the BIOS program detects corruption, then it just loads the
default
| settings and displays a message asking if you want to continue or to
change
| the settings.
|
| All of this happens BEFORE the Windows operating system is contacted in
any
| way. It is completely seperate. The default settings should allow the
| Windows operating system to be started. Once the Windows operating system
| starts, the BIOS and the BIOS settings have no further affect.
|
| IF you have changed any of the BIOS settings in your system, then it is a
| good idea to look at the BIOS setting pages and write down the settings
| BEFORE you change the battery. That way, you can restore the settings.
| Most BIOS set up pages for most computers made by larger manufactures have
| only a handful of variables; possibly less than a dozen for a notebook,
| perhaps as many as 60 for a motherboard designed for overclocking (a
| motherboard based on the nVidia 680i chipset, for example.)
|
| The bottom line - a dead CMOS battery has no effect on the BIOS, only on
the
| retention of the variables that can be set in the BIOS setup page. Any
| modern BIOS has built-in safety defaults that will allow the system to
start
| up and invoke the Windows operating system EVEN IF THE CMOS BATTERY HAS
| DIED.
|
| But, prudence would suggest that you record the original settings so that,
| if necessary, the original settings can be used.
|
| Phil Weldon
|
| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:%23sTTyhAzHHA.3696@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||I looked at your earlier post and I don't understand what will happen to
|| Windows.. will windows boot? I understand that bios will be erased.. but
|| don't understand what all that implies! thanks, Rainy
|| "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
|| news:TFeoi.9012$rR.7792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|| Thanks very much for the clarification. Glad to see you moving to a
|| resolution.
||
|| To answer your earlier question 'what if the battery fails' (completely,
I
|| assume you meant); the BIOS settings will be lost. This was covered in
| my
|| earlier post of July 17 explaining what may happen when you change the
|| battery.
||
|| Phil Weldon
||
|| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
|| news:uqmBcazyHHA.3772@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||| yes I already installed a clock sync.. will replace the battery this
||| weekend.. or whenever my friend can come and do it.. thanks, Rainy
||| "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
||| news:d3coi.10419$zA4.5313@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||| 'Rainy' wrote:
||||I already did.. and it's still losing time.. :) as Sharon said, losing
|| time
|||| when I reboot is different than losing times while in windows.. then I
||| could
|||| use the clock sync program..
||| _____
|||
||| You already did which? Install the 'atomic clock sync' program, or
| change
||| the battery? I'd guess the former, so please post the results after you
||| replace the CMOS battery.
|||
||| Phil Weldon
|||
||| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
||| news:ulqtsVyyHHA.3768@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||||I already did.. and it's still losing time.. :) as Sharon said, losing
|| time
|||| when I reboot is different than losing times while in windows.. then I
||| could
|||| use the clock sync program.. Rainy
|||| "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
|||| news:pnaoi.10396$zA4.7040@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||| 'Rainy' wrote:
||||| thanks Phil.. Rainy
|||| _____
||||
|||| Please post the result after you have install the 'atomic clock sync'
|||| program and then after you have replaced the CMOS battery. That will
|| help
|||| other people with the same symptom, and go a long way toward helping
|| those
|||| who have replied to your question that their time in giving complete
and
|||| precise answers has not been wasted.
||||
|||| Phil Weldon
||||
|||| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
|||| news:e20%23cixyHHA.4824@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||||| thanks Phil.. Rainy
||||| "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
||||| news:S37oi.9826$Od7.6796@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||||| 'Rainy wrote:
|||||
|||||| Hi.. I was just asking my friend who installs the hard ware on my
|||| computer
|||||| and she said, she replaced the battery about a year or more ago.. I
|||| didn't
|||||| remember! She suggested I get an atomic clock sync program.. and I
||| did..
||||| So
|||||| if it's not the battery, any ideas? thanks so much..
||||| _____
|||||
||||| By all means install the 'atomic clock sync program'. It will not
| solve
|||| the
||||| problem, but it can't hurt. The change the battery to solve the
|| problem.
|||||
||||| The battery is what keeps the internal clock running when the power is
|||| off.
||||| The symptom you report is that the clock loses time when the computer
| is
||||| off. The CMOS battery is what keeps the clock running when the
| computer
|||| is
||||| off, but that is not ALL the CMOS battery does. Therefore, replace
the
||||| battery.
|||||
||||| An 'atomic clock synch program' just uses an Internet connection to
|| reset
||||| the time periodically when the computer is ON and connected to the
|||| Internet.
||||| This will have no effect with your reported problem Your computer
will
||||| still lose the time whever it is shut off.
|||||
||||| Though it is possible that some strange alignment of Jupiter and Mars
|||| COULD
||||| cause the symptom you report (tiny cracks in the motherboard that have
|| no
||||| other effect and that only open up when you press the start button,for
||||| example), this is very highly unlikely, and using an atomic clock
synch
||||| program would STILL be of no help.
|||||
||||| Change the battery. You have gotten responses from people who know
and
|||| who
||||| have likely accumulated the necessary experience of replacing dozens
of
|||| CMOS
||||| batteries over the last 25 years.
|||||
||||| Phil Weldon
|||||
||||| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
||||| news:O9smOYtyHHA.4928@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||||| "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
|||||| news:6qhni.8440$tj6.1290@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||||| 'Rainy' wrote:
||||||| When I go to buy one, do I just buy any cmos battery.. or specific
to
||| my
||||||| motherboard?
|||||| _____
||||||
|||||| Remove the old battery. Take it with you to RadioShack and buy a
|||||| replacement. If you have a desktop computer, the required battery is
||||| almost
|||||| certainly a CR2032 Lithium 3 volt cell. It looks like a shiny
smooth
||| US
|||||| quarter and will cost about US $4. The battery should just pop out
of
|||| the
|||||| holder which retains the battry flat on the motherboard. Make sure
| the
|||||| power is off; open the case, pop out the battery, perhaps using a
|| pencil
||||| to
|||||| lift the edge. There will be nothing else remotely similar to the
|||| battery
|||||| on the motherboard.
||||||
|||||| It would probably be a good idea to write down the BIOS settings
|| because
|||||| they will be erased when the battery is removed. Or you could just
| let
||||| the
|||||| default settings be automatically used with very likely no difference
|| in
||||| the
|||||| behavior of the system if you have not specifically changed any
||| settings.
||||||
|||||| Phil Weldon
||||||
|||||| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
|||||| news:uuHshgPyHHA.4184@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||||||| When I go to buy one, do I just buy any cmos battery.. or specific
to
||| my
||||||| motherboard? thanks Raikny
||||||| "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
||||||| news:139r7323qcmcv4a@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||||||| I'd guess the battery is in its dieing stages. See if replacing it
|||| fixes
||||||| the problem.
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||||||| Don
||||||| Vancouver, USA
||||||| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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||||||| Only when computer is turned off.. appreciate any advice.. Thanks
||| Rainy
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