Re: Losing Tine

'Rainy' wrote:
| I looked at your earlier post and I don't understand what will happen to
| Windows.. will windows boot? I understand that bios will be erased.. but
| don't understand what all that implies! thanks, Rainy
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You need some background here.

The BIOS will NOT be erased if the CMOS battery dies, or during replacement.
ONLY some variables like, for example, ENABLE or DISABLE the floppy drive
will be lost, and if lost, such a setting would default to ENABLE.

When you turn the computer on, a small program permanenty stored in the BIOS
checks and sets up hardware. This small program does not depend on
electrical power for storage. It will still be there after you change the
battery. [BIOS is an acronym for Basic Input/Output System, the minimum
program necessary to bring the computer system to the point of being able to
start Windows (or whatever operating system is used).

After the initial hardware check, this small BIOS program uses certain
variables that have been set using the BIOS set up pages OR the safety
default settings if the variables have been corrupted or lost (because of a
dead CMOS battery, or in the process of installing a new CMOS battery. If
you have never used the BIOS set up pages to change things like, for
example, what the big button on the computer system front panel does, then
most likely the default settings have been used. If, when the system is
started, the BIOS program detects corruption, then it just loads the default
settings and displays a message asking if you want to continue or to change
the settings.

All of this happens BEFORE the Windows operating system is contacted in any
way. It is completely seperate. The default settings should allow the
Windows operating system to be started. Once the Windows operating system
starts, the BIOS and the BIOS settings have no further affect.

IF you have changed any of the BIOS settings in your system, then it is a
good idea to look at the BIOS setting pages and write down the settings
BEFORE you change the battery. That way, you can restore the settings.
Most BIOS set up pages for most computers made by larger manufactures have
only a handful of variables; possibly less than a dozen for a notebook,
perhaps as many as 60 for a motherboard designed for overclocking (a
motherboard based on the nVidia 680i chipset, for example.)

The bottom line - a dead CMOS battery has no effect on the BIOS, only on the
retention of the variables that can be set in the BIOS setup page. Any
modern BIOS has built-in safety defaults that will allow the system to start
up and invoke the Windows operating system EVEN IF THE CMOS BATTERY HAS
DIED.

But, prudence would suggest that you record the original settings so that,
if necessary, the original settings can be used.

Phil Weldon

"Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23sTTyhAzHHA.3696@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|I looked at your earlier post and I don't understand what will happen to
| Windows.. will windows boot? I understand that bios will be erased.. but
| don't understand what all that implies! thanks, Rainy
| "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:TFeoi.9012$rR.7792@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| Thanks very much for the clarification. Glad to see you moving to a
| resolution.
|
| To answer your earlier question 'what if the battery fails' (completely, I
| assume you meant); the BIOS settings will be lost. This was covered in
my
| earlier post of July 17 explaining what may happen when you change the
| battery.
|
| Phil Weldon
|
| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:uqmBcazyHHA.3772@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|| yes I already installed a clock sync.. will replace the battery this
|| weekend.. or whenever my friend can come and do it.. thanks, Rainy
|| "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
|| news:d3coi.10419$zA4.5313@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|| 'Rainy' wrote:
|||I already did.. and it's still losing time.. :) as Sharon said, losing
| time
||| when I reboot is different than losing times while in windows.. then I
|| could
||| use the clock sync program..
|| _____
||
|| You already did which? Install the 'atomic clock sync' program, or
change
|| the battery? I'd guess the former, so please post the results after you
|| replace the CMOS battery.
||
|| Phil Weldon
||
|| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
|| news:ulqtsVyyHHA.3768@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||I already did.. and it's still losing time.. :) as Sharon said, losing
| time
||| when I reboot is different than losing times while in windows.. then I
|| could
||| use the clock sync program.. Rainy
||| "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
||| news:pnaoi.10396$zA4.7040@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||| 'Rainy' wrote:
|||| thanks Phil.. Rainy
||| _____
|||
||| Please post the result after you have install the 'atomic clock sync'
||| program and then after you have replaced the CMOS battery. That will
| help
||| other people with the same symptom, and go a long way toward helping
| those
||| who have replied to your question that their time in giving complete and
||| precise answers has not been wasted.
|||
||| Phil Weldon
|||
||| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
||| news:e20%23cixyHHA.4824@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||| thanks Phil.. Rainy
|||| "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
|||| news:S37oi.9826$Od7.6796@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||| 'Rainy wrote:
||||
||||| Hi.. I was just asking my friend who installs the hard ware on my
||| computer
||||| and she said, she replaced the battery about a year or more ago.. I
||| didn't
||||| remember! She suggested I get an atomic clock sync program.. and I
|| did..
|||| So
||||| if it's not the battery, any ideas? thanks so much..
|||| _____
||||
|||| By all means install the 'atomic clock sync program'. It will not
solve
||| the
|||| problem, but it can't hurt. The change the battery to solve the
| problem.
||||
|||| The battery is what keeps the internal clock running when the power is
||| off.
|||| The symptom you report is that the clock loses time when the computer
is
|||| off. The CMOS battery is what keeps the clock running when the
computer
||| is
|||| off, but that is not ALL the CMOS battery does. Therefore, replace the
|||| battery.
||||
|||| An 'atomic clock synch program' just uses an Internet connection to
| reset
|||| the time periodically when the computer is ON and connected to the
||| Internet.
|||| This will have no effect with your reported problem Your computer will
|||| still lose the time whever it is shut off.
||||
|||| Though it is possible that some strange alignment of Jupiter and Mars
||| COULD
|||| cause the symptom you report (tiny cracks in the motherboard that have
| no
|||| other effect and that only open up when you press the start button,for
|||| example), this is very highly unlikely, and using an atomic clock synch
|||| program would STILL be of no help.
||||
|||| Change the battery. You have gotten responses from people who know and
||| who
|||| have likely accumulated the necessary experience of replacing dozens of
||| CMOS
|||| batteries over the last 25 years.
||||
|||| Phil Weldon
||||
|||| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
|||| news:O9smOYtyHHA.4928@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||||| "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
||||| news:6qhni.8440$tj6.1290@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||||| 'Rainy' wrote:
|||||| When I go to buy one, do I just buy any cmos battery.. or specific to
|| my
|||||| motherboard?
||||| _____
|||||
||||| Remove the old battery. Take it with you to RadioShack and buy a
||||| replacement. If you have a desktop computer, the required battery is
|||| almost
||||| certainly a CR2032 Lithium 3 volt cell. It looks like a shiny smooth
|| US
||||| quarter and will cost about US $4. The battery should just pop out of
||| the
||||| holder which retains the battry flat on the motherboard. Make sure
the
||||| power is off; open the case, pop out the battery, perhaps using a
| pencil
|||| to
||||| lift the edge. There will be nothing else remotely similar to the
||| battery
||||| on the motherboard.
|||||
||||| It would probably be a good idea to write down the BIOS settings
| because
||||| they will be erased when the battery is removed. Or you could just
let
|||| the
||||| default settings be automatically used with very likely no difference
| in
|||| the
||||| behavior of the system if you have not specifically changed any
|| settings.
|||||
||||| Phil Weldon
|||||
||||| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
||||| news:uuHshgPyHHA.4184@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||||| When I go to buy one, do I just buy any cmos battery.. or specific to
|| my
|||||| motherboard? thanks Raikny
|||||| "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
|||||| news:139r7323qcmcv4a@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||||| I'd guess the battery is in its dieing stages. See if replacing it
||| fixes
|||||| the problem.
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|||||| Don
|||||| Vancouver, USA
|||||| "Rainy" <sweetwrapz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
|||||| news:uIIQdZPyHHA.484@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||||| Only when computer is turned off.. appreciate any advice.. Thanks
|| Rainy
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