Re: Is Zone Alarm necessary with a DSL firewall?

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Protection required (and still not installed in most all homes) was
routinely installed before WWII in commercial broadcasting stations,
all telephone switching centers (COs), and even to electronics atop the
Empire State Building where lightning struck 25 times annually. Direct
lightning strikes with no damage was standard and necessary even that
long ago.

Do they disconnect to protect? Of course not. Notice how your
telco, with a $multimillion computer connected to overhead wires
everywhere in town, turns off phone service as thunderstorms approach.
Oh. They suffer no computer damage and yet do not disconnect? That
correct. They use 'whole house' type protection connected to a single
point earth ground. Protectors connected short to earth provide
protection - that good.

Even early 1900 Ham radio operators would disconnect the antenna, put
that antenna lead inside a mason jar, and still suffer damage. Damage
stopped when that wire was earthed. Earthing - not a protector - is
the protection.

Take a $3 power strip. Add some $0.10 parts. Sell it for $25 - or
make it look more expensive and sell it as a Monster Cable product.
Meanwhile, where are the spec numbers that list protection for each
type of transient? Monster Cable does not provide those numbers
because Monster Cable does not even claim to protect from the
destructive type of surge.

Meanwhile, where are numbers for this EMI and RFI protection afforded
by Monster Cable? It is an old and well proven trend. No numbers is
how to promote myths as fact. Where are numbers for this EMI and RFI
protection? What problem does that solve? Somehow those details are
forgotten when promoting Monster Cable and UPSes.

Little hint. Electronic appliances already contain EMI / RFI
protection internally. Anything that Monster Cable product claims to
accomplish is already in all electronic appliances. Required by FCC
requirements. Did they successfully get you to assume that EMI/RFI
circuit does something for your appliance? Again, lying by telling
half truths.

Meanwhile, what is in the sub-$100 UPS? Same protector circuit also
found inside a Monster Cable protector. Where is this protection?
Protection promoted by urban myths. Have any doubts? Then post the
manufacturer's numerical specs. Show us with manufacturer numbers this
protection for each type of transient. Why do they routinely not
provide those numbers? Shorting such information creates an
environment ripe for myths. They will do anything not to discuss
earthing.

The Monster Cable protector does what? Where are the numbers. A
damning fact proven even long before WWII. The protector is nothing
more than a connection to protection. What is the protection? Earth
ground. What does the Monster Cable product not connect to? Earth
ground. What does IEEE recommend in standards for effective
protection? Earth ground.

Where is the 'less than 10 foot' connection from a sub-$100 UPS or
from a Monster Cable product to earth ground? Does not exist - does
it. They hope you never learn why earthing is essential to protection
because ... a $3 power strip with some $0.10 parts selling for $100+.
Why would they provide any numbers? Myth purveyors will create
massive profits.

Meanwhile, responsible manufactures provide transient protection.
Monster Cable is clearly not on the list of responsible.
Cutler-Hammer, Intermatic, Leviton, GE, Siemens, Square D, and other
responsible brand names sell the effective 'whole house' protector.
Same technology found in telephone switching stations that don't
disconnect during thunderstorms. Same technology with a dedicated wire
for earth ground connection. Effective solutions are sold in Lowes,
Home Depot, and electrical supply houses - for tens of times (in the
case of Monster Cable - hundred of times) less money per protected
appliance. The effective solution also costs massively less because
..... well they are not selling a $3 power strip with some $0.10
components for $160. Would you trust an AC mains breaker box labeled
Monster Cable? For obvious reasons .... no. Same company even sells
speaker wire for $100 - and some recommend that speaker wire as if
they just know it is better - without numbers.

No earth ground means no effective protection. Even the sub-$100 UPS
is only data protection from blackouts and extreme brownouts. Those
who disagree: then show me the numbers.

DanS wrote:
...
I meant the brand name 'Monster' as in 'Monster Cables', you know, the
company that want to sell you $100 speaker wire for your $100 stereo
receiver. It's all a marketing scam.
...

2. No "cheap" UPS "conditions" the power lines. All
most do is switch over to battery power if the surges/peaks go beyond
certain limits.

I should have stated that by conditioning, I meant filter of RFI and EMI.


3. Decent UPS's are not available in the $30 range;
the batteries t hemselves cost that much or more.

That is exactly what I stated. I said 'sub-$100 (NOT a $30 one)'.
...

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