Re: system disk
- From: "Dana" <Dana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:23:11 -0700
WOW!!!!!! I'm printing that out in case I decide to tackle this again!!
Thanks so much!! That really answered a bunch of questions!
"S. Taylor" wrote:
> Cd-roms and dvd-roms do not require you install drivers if you're using it
> in windows 95 or newer
>
> You do need driver for it if you're booting into dos only and want access to
> it.
> In this case you can have windows make a startup floppy disk for you, and it
> will
> use generic drivers which should work fine.
>
> If after installing the cd-rom, if it's not listed in windows 98's My
> Computer,
> then check the hardware manager ( right click My Computer and choose
> Properites, then
> choose Hardware), Check for any entries that have a yellow ! or ? beside it.
> In the case of a cd-rom, the presences of a ! or ? by its entry would
> indcate that
> the drive is is dying, the ide cable it's using may need to be replaced, or
> windows is having
> trouble assigning resources to it.
>
> If you find no entry for it, then check your bios, to see if it detects it.
> If it doesn't and your certain the drive itself is fine, then your ide cable
> is probably plugged in
> backwards ( i kid you not ) or the cable has been damaged.
> To verify this, take the cable out and look at it.
>
> If it's an older cable, it may only have 2 plugs on it,
> the plugs will be rectangular with no outward notch (nipple)
> and both plugs will be black.
>
> Some older cables have 1 plug thats has the notch ( or nipple ) and 1
> without,
> the end with the notch plugs into the motherboard, and it's notch lines up
> with a notch in the
> motherboards ide plug, that insures that the #1 Connector on the cable lines
> up with the
> #1 Pin on the board.
>
> If your cable looks like this or has developed 1 or more creases where the
> cable has twisted and
> rotated to fit the available space, then time may have caused a break in it
> and you should
> replace it. Newer cables are also capable of higher data transfere rates so
> replacing an older cable is still beneficial.
>
> Newer cables can have different colored plugs, and the plugs have outward
> notches.
> Some cd-rom cables have 3 plugs, the 2 plugs that are closest to each other
> are for cd-rom/dvd-rom drives (and should be black in color)
> and the isolated plug must be plugged into the motherboard (may be black,
> but in the case of multi-colored
> cables, it will also be the one that is a different color)
>
> Look at the sides of the cable, you'll see that one side has a red stripe
> running it's full length.
> This stripe is used to indicate which invidual connector, in each plug, is
> the "#1 Connector".
> The #1 Connector MUST be plugged into the "#1 Pin", for the motherboard and
> for the drive(s).
>
> To find the #1 Pin on an IDE connector, use a work light or flashlight while
> you're looking very very closely
> at the area of the motherboard around the outside of the connector.
> You're looking for the number 1 printed on the motherboard.
> The shortside of the connector that is closest to the printed number, is the
> side of the connector that has the #1 Pin
> and the cable should be plugged in so that it's red stripe lines up with the
> same side of the connector
> that has the #1 Pin.
> If your cable's plug has a nipple on it, the stripe should automatically
> line up correctly,
> otherwise, just use the red stripe and the location of the connector's #1
> Pin as your guide.
> Oh, and as a side note, the cd-rom should be plugged into the Secondary IDE
> Connector.
>
> If the cable has 3 plugs, use the one on the very end for the cd-rom, this
> will tell the bios to
> treat it as the Secondary Master Device on that cable.
> The middle plug should only be used for another cd-rom(or floppy drives,in
> the case of some old motherboards),
> the bios treats devices connected to it as the Secondary Slave Device.
> If you have a dvd-rom, also, then you may have trouble getting it or both
> recognized if they are not setup right.
> In my experience, the dvd-rom must be the Master and the cd-rom must be the
> Slave.
> You may also have trouble if the drives are not configured correctly.
> If you look at the end of the drive, where the cable connects, you'll see a
> small group of pins with a
> black plastic clip covering 2 of the pins.
> These pins tell the drive whether it should act like a Master or Slave drive
> or whether it should let
> it's position on the cable determine that.
> Read the drives label, it should have a schematic that shows you which pins
> should be covered by the
> clip, to get it to behave in each of those 3 modes.
>
> Drives plugged into the end plug, must be setup as either Master or Cable
> Select.
> Drives plugged into the middle plug, must be setup as either Slave or Cable
> Select.
> Some drives may be incapatable with your bios if set to one of those
> settings, so you may have
> to try different combinations Master,Slave or Cable Select, to get your bios
> to detect and recognize both drives.
>
> If you're only trying to use 1 cd-rom or dvd-rom, the above paragraphs are
> still valid.
> You may still need to play with the drives setting (Master,Slave, Cable
> Select), to get bios to
> see it, just make sure that when trying the Master setting, that the drive
> is on the Master Plug
> and then when trying the Slave setting that the drive is on the Slave plug.
>
>
> If after reading all that, your bios sees it and windows doesn't,
> then boot into DOS with a windows 98 startup floppy, and try to use the
> drive.
> If you can't then consider replacing it.
> If you can access it, then it's a windows 98 problem and you should post
> your problem in a
> windows 98 newsgroup :)
>
> G'Luck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Dana" <Dana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:E35497A9-0C5B-4825-A27A-F4FD53D0C161@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >I think I know the answer - BUT my mom is trying to install a cd-rom drive
> >in
> > an old Windows 98 machine. We need a system disk with cd-rom support on
> > it,
> > right? Do we get that off the Win98 machine she's trying to fix and put it
> > on
> > a floppy? (It's for a friend of hers) - We CAN'T get it off her Windows XP
> > machine, can we????
> >
> > ANY advice here? This all started because the friend's modem died and a
> > new
> > modem didn't work, so I gave her an old box I had sitting around - but the
> > DVD-ROM drive didnt' work and she can't get signed up for her email!
> > ARGHGHGHG!!! It's never-ending!! and my mother and I are about to come to
> > blows, because she's in a different city and I'm doing this over the
> > phone!!
> > HAHA!!
> >
> > THANKS!!
>
>
>
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