Re: system disk
- From: "S. Taylor" <ravenshaATstis.net>
- Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:40:42 -0400
Cd-roms and dvd-roms do not require you install drivers if you're using it
in windows 95 or newer
You do need driver for it if you're booting into dos only and want access to
it.
In this case you can have windows make a startup floppy disk for you, and it
will
use generic drivers which should work fine.
If after installing the cd-rom, if it's not listed in windows 98's My
Computer,
then check the hardware manager ( right click My Computer and choose
Properites, then
choose Hardware), Check for any entries that have a yellow ! or ? beside it.
In the case of a cd-rom, the presences of a ! or ? by its entry would
indcate that
the drive is is dying, the ide cable it's using may need to be replaced, or
windows is having
trouble assigning resources to it.
If you find no entry for it, then check your bios, to see if it detects it.
If it doesn't and your certain the drive itself is fine, then your ide cable
is probably plugged in
backwards ( i kid you not ) or the cable has been damaged.
To verify this, take the cable out and look at it.
If it's an older cable, it may only have 2 plugs on it,
the plugs will be rectangular with no outward notch (nipple)
and both plugs will be black.
Some older cables have 1 plug thats has the notch ( or nipple ) and 1
without,
the end with the notch plugs into the motherboard, and it's notch lines up
with a notch in the
motherboards ide plug, that insures that the #1 Connector on the cable lines
up with the
#1 Pin on the board.
If your cable looks like this or has developed 1 or more creases where the
cable has twisted and
rotated to fit the available space, then time may have caused a break in it
and you should
replace it. Newer cables are also capable of higher data transfere rates so
replacing an older cable is still beneficial.
Newer cables can have different colored plugs, and the plugs have outward
notches.
Some cd-rom cables have 3 plugs, the 2 plugs that are closest to each other
are for cd-rom/dvd-rom drives (and should be black in color)
and the isolated plug must be plugged into the motherboard (may be black,
but in the case of multi-colored
cables, it will also be the one that is a different color)
Look at the sides of the cable, you'll see that one side has a red stripe
running it's full length.
This stripe is used to indicate which invidual connector, in each plug, is
the "#1 Connector".
The #1 Connector MUST be plugged into the "#1 Pin", for the motherboard and
for the drive(s).
To find the #1 Pin on an IDE connector, use a work light or flashlight while
you're looking very very closely
at the area of the motherboard around the outside of the connector.
You're looking for the number 1 printed on the motherboard.
The shortside of the connector that is closest to the printed number, is the
side of the connector that has the #1 Pin
and the cable should be plugged in so that it's red stripe lines up with the
same side of the connector
that has the #1 Pin.
If your cable's plug has a nipple on it, the stripe should automatically
line up correctly,
otherwise, just use the red stripe and the location of the connector's #1
Pin as your guide.
Oh, and as a side note, the cd-rom should be plugged into the Secondary IDE
Connector.
If the cable has 3 plugs, use the one on the very end for the cd-rom, this
will tell the bios to
treat it as the Secondary Master Device on that cable.
The middle plug should only be used for another cd-rom(or floppy drives,in
the case of some old motherboards),
the bios treats devices connected to it as the Secondary Slave Device.
If you have a dvd-rom, also, then you may have trouble getting it or both
recognized if they are not setup right.
In my experience, the dvd-rom must be the Master and the cd-rom must be the
Slave.
You may also have trouble if the drives are not configured correctly.
If you look at the end of the drive, where the cable connects, you'll see a
small group of pins with a
black plastic clip covering 2 of the pins.
These pins tell the drive whether it should act like a Master or Slave drive
or whether it should let
it's position on the cable determine that.
Read the drives label, it should have a schematic that shows you which pins
should be covered by the
clip, to get it to behave in each of those 3 modes.
Drives plugged into the end plug, must be setup as either Master or Cable
Select.
Drives plugged into the middle plug, must be setup as either Slave or Cable
Select.
Some drives may be incapatable with your bios if set to one of those
settings, so you may have
to try different combinations Master,Slave or Cable Select, to get your bios
to detect and recognize both drives.
If you're only trying to use 1 cd-rom or dvd-rom, the above paragraphs are
still valid.
You may still need to play with the drives setting (Master,Slave, Cable
Select), to get bios to
see it, just make sure that when trying the Master setting, that the drive
is on the Master Plug
and then when trying the Slave setting that the drive is on the Slave plug.
If after reading all that, your bios sees it and windows doesn't,
then boot into DOS with a windows 98 startup floppy, and try to use the
drive.
If you can't then consider replacing it.
If you can access it, then it's a windows 98 problem and you should post
your problem in a
windows 98 newsgroup :)
G'Luck
"Dana" <Dana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:E35497A9-0C5B-4825-A27A-F4FD53D0C161@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>I think I know the answer - BUT my mom is trying to install a cd-rom drive
>in
> an old Windows 98 machine. We need a system disk with cd-rom support on
> it,
> right? Do we get that off the Win98 machine she's trying to fix and put it
> on
> a floppy? (It's for a friend of hers) - We CAN'T get it off her Windows XP
> machine, can we????
>
> ANY advice here? This all started because the friend's modem died and a
> new
> modem didn't work, so I gave her an old box I had sitting around - but the
> DVD-ROM drive didnt' work and she can't get signed up for her email!
> ARGHGHGHG!!! It's never-ending!! and my mother and I are about to come to
> blows, because she's in a different city and I'm doing this over the
> phone!!
> HAHA!!
>
> THANKS!!
.
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