Re: Where to get restore for XP

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Huh? Has absolutely nothing to do with anything I was talking about because
you can't refute my point.

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>I suggest the next time you go to a system builder who will build a
>computer for you with a copy of Linux installed.
>
> You think you are being screwed now? You don't even know the true feeling!
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> If you knew as much as you thought you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> "Technical Ecstasy" <Sabbath@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%23pTFT02eFHA.2844@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> You can't possibly be so obtuse.What are you so hung up on this 299$
>> dollar cd price? Xp is sold to OEMs at nowhere near that price and they
>> in fact press their own cd's. My brother bought a Dell with Win ME on it
>> just before XP came out. When he called to complain about the OS dell
>> offered him a FULL copy of XP for 20$. Do you think they lost money on
>> that ? I will repeat what I said previously; Microsoft can "mandate" the
>> OEMs to provide a full copy of xp if they wanted to but they don't
>> because not providing a full copy of the OS discourages the "casual" OS
>> pirate, they have even admitted this.Also by doing this how much money do
>> you think Microsoft has made by selling the same customer their OS twice
>> because said customer had to buy full copy of XP. because of Tec
>> issues?Do you think that this hasn't been all thought out by Microsoft?
>> Why should I, a paying customer have to pay for something twice? How is
>> Microsoft screwing me? How are they NOT screwing me?
>>
>> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:OwepeS2eFHA.2420@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> For the record, I don't like what the OEM are doing any more than anyone
>>> else does!
>>>
>>> The OEM "may" be screwing you by not supplying a full CD that cost $299,
>>> but it is not Microsoft's fault. If Microsoft didn't step in you would
>>> likely have NOTHING. What do you expect with PC's in the $400-500 range.
>>> Because Microsoft "mandates" that you must have a way to return your
>>> system to a usable state - the OEM's are complying - as cheaply as they
>>> can. Without this mandate do you think you would have "any" way to
>>> repair your system when you screw it up? Likely NOT!
>>>
>>> So how is Microsoft screwing you? In my eyes they are looking out for
>>> you!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Richard Urban
>>>
>>> If you knew as much as you thought you know,
>>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>>
>>>
>>> "Technical Ecstasy" <Sabbath@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:ODrI%23byeFHA.2420@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Did you even read my post? What I was implying and thought was pretty
>>>> clear was that the OEM computer manufactures and Microsoft are screwing
>>>> me by not giving me a "full' copy of the OS that I paid for. OEM
>>>> manufactures are saving a few penny's per cd by only providing "restore
>>>> disks" and Microsoft thinks it is cutting down on piracy by *allowing*
>>>> the OEM's to do this.
>>>> As for your tirade in response to my comment,
>>>>
>>>> |You're saying that Microsoft shouldn't allow OEM's to offer a way for
>>>> |customers to get back to the way the computer was when they opened
>>>> |the box?
>>>>
>>>> No. I'm saying the exact opposite.
>>>>
>>>> |They're NOT going to give you a full CD anymore - not
>>>> |at the PC prices that the public is clamoring for. People want cheap
>>>>
>>>> Why is that extra nickel per unit going to break Dell? Of course not!
>>>>
>>>> |One of the reasons that OEM's do it this way is because most of their
>>>> |computers have a great amount of proprietary hardware in the computers
>>>> |they
>>>> |sell. Therefore they MUST supply the necessary drivers
>>>>
>>>> So what. Supply a separate disk with drivers.
>>>>
>>>> |The OEM's try to "lock you in" to their company
>>>> |for hardware replacements and upgrades. Try getting a power supply at
>>>> |a local PC fair for a Dell computer. You can't! Try getting a
>>>> replacement |M/B that will physically mount in the Dell case. You
>>>> can't - different hole
>>>> |locations. Gotta go back to Dell and pay their exorbitant prices!
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you but it has nothing to do with where I get a *full*
>>>> copy of the OS or not.They can still provide another disk.
>>>>
>>>> |This has been beaten to death here for 3+ years now. It's an old, old
>>>> |discussion! You buy OEM - you get OEM supplied recovery options. If
>>>> |Microsoft didn't mandate and stipulate such, you would probably get
>>>> |"nothing" from Dell - Gateway - Sony - HP/Compaq (especially) etc!.
>>>>
>>>> I don't care if you think it's been beaten like a dead horse, it's
>>>> still wrong and will be wrong in three more years or fifty more years.
>>>> I don't know where your coming from dude but it looks like this bothers
>>>> you a great deal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23bz1SfpeFHA.3040@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> You're saying that Microsoft shouldn't allow OEM's to offer a way for
>>>>> customers to get back to the way the computer was when they opened the
>>>>> box? That's pretty severe! They're NOT going to give you a full CD
>>>>> anymore - not at the PC prices that the public is clamoring for.
>>>>> People want cheap, they get cheap! Pay $4200 for a PC from Alienware
>>>>> and you get a full Windows XP CD. But NOT at $399.95.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the reasons that OEM's do it this way is because most of their
>>>>> computers have a great amount of proprietary hardware in the computers
>>>>> they sell. Therefore they MUST supply the necessary drivers. The
>>>>> Windows XP CD only has generic drivers. The OEM's try to "lock you in"
>>>>> to their company for hardware replacements and upgrades. Try getting a
>>>>> power supply at a local PC fair for a Dell computer. You can't! Try
>>>>> getting a replacement M/B that will physically mount in the Dell case.
>>>>> You can't - different hole locations. Gotta go back to Dell and pay
>>>>> their exorbitant prices!
>>>>>
>>>>> Another reason they do it this way is because they get their 20 cents
>>>>> for every box that they deliver that has certain 3rd party crap
>>>>> installed on it, such as AOL, Real Player, backdoor web etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> This has been beaten to death here for 3+ years now. It's an old, old
>>>>> discussion! You buy OEM - you get OEM supplied recovery options. If
>>>>> Microsoft didn't mandate and stipulate such, you would probably get
>>>>> "nothing" from Dell - Gateway - Sony - HP/Compaq (especially) etc!.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Urban
>>>>>
>>>>> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> If you knew as much as you thought you know,
>>>>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Technical Ecstasy" <Sabbath@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OpY9CIpeFHA.1448@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Microsoft shouldn't allow OEM computer manufactures to do this in the
>>>>>> first place.You should be provided with a full copy of the OS.Or is
>>>>>> it another attempt by Microsoft to curtail piracy? (Having the paying
>>>>>> customer pretty much screwed in the end)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uMKBYCpeFHA.2288@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Bill Voight wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sports fans,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My Win 2K box died, I replaced it with a unit w/preinstalled XP
>>>>>>>> home edition. The XP has no backup/restore utility (believe it or
>>>>>>>> not, I actually have a recent backup of my Win 2K box). Since the
>>>>>>>> replacement box did not come w/an XP CD I have no way to install
>>>>>>>> the backup/restore software. Where can I get it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Contact the computer's manufacturer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft requires its licensed OEM computer manufacturers to
>>>>>>> provide a means of returning the computer to its original,
>>>>>>> ex-factory state. The particular method of recovery, however, is
>>>>>>> left entirely to the discretion of each individual computer
>>>>>>> manufacturer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Legally, the OEM has met it's contractual obligation to
>>>>>>> Microsoft by providing a means of returning the PC to its ex-factory
>>>>>>> state, whether it's a Recovery CD or a Recovery Partition. They are
>>>>>>> not legally obliged to provide a true installation CD as part of the
>>>>>>> sale. Reputable, customer-service aware OEMs, like Dell and Gateway,
>>>>>>> do provide a full OEM installation CD, that does permit custom
>>>>>>> installations and repairs. However, many uncaring OEMs, such as
>>>>>>> eMachines, Compaq, HP, and Sony, in an effort to save pennies and
>>>>>>> reduce their support costs by having to hire support people that
>>>>>>> need only say "Boot from the Recovery CD to return your PC to its
>>>>>>> original condition," provide only a CD bearing a disk image of the
>>>>>>> hard drive as it left the factory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Essentially, it boils down to "You get what you pay for."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bruce Chambers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Help us help you:
>>>>>>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>>>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
>>>>>>> having both at once. - RAH
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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