Re: Newbie question about setting up XP - coming from win98se background

From: Jim Macklin (p51mustang[threeX12)
Date: 12/18/04 

Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:39:38 -0600

I see that you have XP Pro, you can turn Simple File Sharing
OFF and then set permissions as you want. Also, if you
right click on My Computer and select Manage, you will see
Local Users and Groups, you can see and control how the
accounts work there. But be careful and read the help files
and change only one thing at a time, else you can break your
system.

To gain access to files and folders you may need to take
ownership
see http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=308421

Be sure to read Sharon's answer too. Also, you might be
interested in a getting a book or two, Windows XP Inside/Out
is most complete, but there are many good books.

Also, XP help (press F1 ) has some good material and is
on-line to MS Knowledge Base articles. 

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"niteowl" <niteowl@NOniteowlproductionsSPAM.com> wrote in 
message news:sso8s0lmh84tju8hu8scb5ljdojvtt78qa@4ax.com...
|I didn't realize I was snipping, I thought I was just 
typing between
| your paragraphs... oh well, I'll just top post then..
|
| I think I'm getting this a bit now.. someone else 
suggested moving the
| shortcuts from the "All Users" into the acct where I 
wanted them, and
| that worked sorta.
|
| You brought up somethine else though about the 
Adminstrative
| accounts.. There is more than one?    Well, I looked in 
the windows
| explorer and on the C: drive I am showing the following 
folders:
|
| Local  Disk (C:)
| .file_store_32
| +Documents and Settings
| +All Users
| +All Users.WINDOWS
| +Default User
| +Default User.WINDOWS
| +Kalehli
| +LocalService
| +LocalService.NT AUTHORITY
| +Maurine
| +NetworkService
| +NetworkService.NT AUTHORITY
| niteowl
| +Niteowl.ALLAING
| dwnlds
| +epson
| +Program Files
| RECYCLER
| System Volume Information
| +WINDOWS
|
| The "niteowl" (without the +) folder I can't access, gives 
me an error
| message, saying it is "not accessible, Access is denied" 
Why?
|
| It appears to me that Kalehli and Maurine are the limited 
account's
| folders,  the "Niteowl.ALLAING" is the administrative 
account, and the
| one I use, I think, when I boot up.  Is the Default User 
the hidden
| admin acct?
|
| I remember setting up the Niteowl acct as the Admin acct 
during the
| installation, is there another one that was setup without 
me knowing
| about it.. and does it have a password, and if so what it 
is????  or
| how do I access it, and WHY would I need to?  If I have an
| adminstrative acct, why would I still need another hidden 
admin acct?
|
| On bootup I show 3 names to choose from on the welcome 
screen,
| Kalehli, Maurine, and Niteowl.  Niteowl is password 
protected, the
| others are not.
|
| What is the LocalService and NetworkService stuff?
|
| If I'm "sharing" a drive so I can transfer files to and 
from other
| stations, does that give other users on the same machine 
access to
| them also?  I'm just trying to understand the limitations 
and how the
| flow works.  In all actuality I probably won't share my 
working
| drives, C: and D:, the file archive storage drives will be 
fully
| shared.  These are mainly image and music/media files.
|
| I have Outlook Express setup usually, but only for access 
to hotmail
| accts. which I understand won't be lasting that much 
longer anyway,
| but my default email program is Eudora, moving the 
shortcut out of the
| All Users folder seemed to take care of that issue though.
|
| So, when I put in the new 60G drive, if I partition it to 
C: and D:
| 40% and 60%,  move the "My Documents" folders to the D 
drive, leave C:
| and D: unshared, can I still setup a specific folder to 
share anyway
| over the my network?
|
| Anyway, my main purpose I guess is to limit my daughters 
internet
| access and limit what progrrams she can use on the 
system... Since
| this is the fastest machine on my network, she'll want to 
be playing
| her favorite online games on this machine when I'm not 
using it, so
| basically yes, I need to limit the adult stuff for her 
acct. and other
| than that she doesn't need to do anything else on my 
machine.  She
| does have her own computer and the limitations are 
enforced so far by
| looking over her shoulder occassionally. ;-)  I'll need 
something
| better soon though..
|
| I am building another machine for her and will install XP 
to that one
| also, so this is just an interim arrangement for her to be 
on my
| machine, but I do need to understand this anyway as I have 
taken on
| the task of maintaining 50 computers at the new charter 
middle school
| she goes to, and this is all pretty new to me.  I thought 
working with
| this at home would help educate me for the schools needs 
also. I'm
| just a volunteer there as the funding isn't available for 
a hired IT
| guy, so we're making do with me. ;-)
|
| I do have a better understanding now, the list of accts 
above is still
| fuzzy, but I'm sure it'll clear up.
|
| Again, thanks for your efforts to educate me. and your 
patience.
|
| niteowl
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:14:18 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
| <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote:
|
| >What you need to remember about XP is that it is a true
| >multi-user OS.  Unlike W98/ME which did not really work 
well
| >with multi-user accounts and provide security and 
privacy,
| >XP does, by default prevent one user from accessing the
| >another users data files (My Documents and email).  In 
W98
| >just hitting cancel on the user logon, will boot to a
| >default user account and all files and data is readable.
| >
| >Windows XP Pro has more levels of user accounts and user
| >rights control.  Using NTFS also improves data security.
| >
| >When a user creates a file in their account, it is 
private,
| >by default, unless the folder is being shared, even then 
a
| >file on a shared drive can be encrypted and locked with a
| >password.
| >
| >Applications and services may be controlled using XP Pro 
and
| >to a lesser extent using XP Home.  So you can have 
accounts
| >with full access (administrator accounts) and limited
| >accounts that may have some application unavailable and 
they
| >won't be able to change their own permissions.
| >
| >Each User Account will have a default My Documents folder 
in
| >the C: drive.  Moving these My Documents folders has the
| >advantage of isolating the data from a system crash which
| >could result in data loss if reformatting and 
reinstallation
| >was required.  Moving the files is essential if the drive
| >(partition) is small because you need to keep a minimum 
of
| >15% free disk space to allow defrag to run.
| >
| >You can help us with user accounts setup, security and 
such
| >by saying exactly what you are trying to setup and for 
whom.
| >For instance, You are the administrator and need the 
default
| >administrator (which is hidden when you create the first
| >user account) and you need a user account with admin 
rights
| >so you can do required computer maintenance and setup w/o
| >screwing up the default admin acct.  These accounts 
should
| >have passwords.  Then it is good practice to have a 
limited
| >user account for your routine use.
| >
| >Then you will get to the issue of other users and what 
they
| >need and what you want them to be able to do.  Do they 
need
| >to access the Internet, send a FAX, install programs, do 
you
| >want them to have no access to adult sites (your 
children?)
| >and what version of XP you have will determine what you 
can
| >and cannot do.
| >
| >BTW, don't snip to much, I don't want to have to go back 
and
| >look for your previous posts to see what questions and 
info
| >you have previously posted.
| >
| >Yes, I would certainly switch to the faster drive, you 
will
| >notice that things happen 50% faster.
| >
| >When you install a program, by default it will be useable 
to
| >all users ad Windows will put a link to programs in each
| >users startup and program menus.  But as an administrator
| >you can remove access on a user's account by deleting the
| >program on that user's account.
| >
| >In general, programs ARE NOT shared, you have programs
| >installed, data is shared.
|

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