Re: Having two Administrators
From: Mike B (anonymous_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 07/05/04
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 04:28:49 -0700
Thanks for the further help. Sorry if I'm labouring this
one, but by "default" admin are we talking about the same
thing? I have two admin accounts set up on mine ---
"Administrator" (accessible through safe mode in XP home
and "default" (accessible through normal logon, named
whatever I choose, but with a folder under D&Settings
called "default"). Are you saying my second "default"
admin cannot be deleted, only disabled? Not that I
probably want to after considering this, but any idea how
to do disable this in XP Home?
Thanks,
Mike
>-----Original Message-----
>I don't have home. Userpasswords2 is shown as user
accounts if joined to a domaine and userpasswords (without
the 2) is shown if not. To add to CP see attached file.
>
>The welcome screen pretends security. It actually doesn't
replace NT security but pretends to type for you. EG It
tells if you have a password, thus showing the password
textbox, by tring to logon with a blank one. If it fails
then you need to type a password (while using 1 logon
attempt).
>
>The default admin account can only be disabled (not
deleted) or renamed by the local security addin in Pro. It
has special treatmrnt re disabling/renaming..
>
>--
>----------------------------------------------------------
>'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
>http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.ht
ml
>
>"Mike B" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:2664101c4627b$50d67d30$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>> Hmm, I am pretty sure that when I went into the safe-
mode
>> admin, I noticed that in control panel user accounts
the
>> regular Restricted user accounts did NOT show up,
whereas
>> they do in the Admin account I get to though normal
>> login. Just the two admin accounts showed up in safe-
mode
>> admin accounts setup dialog accessed through control
>> panel. I will double-check.
>>
>> Should I not be using control panel for this... and is
>> there any way of getting to the "control
userpasswords2"
>> stuff without using "Start->Run"? How come such a
basic
>> admin function as controlling user accounts and
passwords
>> is hidden away in a Run command and not visible in the
>> control panel item? Maybe I've missed something.
>>
>> Any ideas on my related question about why the second
>> admin account folder is called "default" no matter what
I
>> call the admin account, and how I might change that?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >The inbuilt admin can't be deleted and it will hide
when
>> a new admin account is created. Admin accounts are
>> otherwise identical.
>> >
>> >--
>> >-------------------------------------------------------
--- >> >'Not happy John! Defending our democracy', >> >http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.ht >> ml >> > >> >"Mike B" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >> message news:25d8601c46272$55f06c30$a601280a@phx.gbl... >> >> This relates to a discussion in another thread, but I >> >> thought it worth splitting it off into a new thread. >> >> >> >> Do I understand from what Sharon F is saying below that >> it >> >> is sensible to leave the "hidden" Administrator account >> >> alone (accessible only at boot time safe mode for XP >> >> Home), and have a second Admin account which is visible >> at >> >> logon (along with other regular users) for use for day- >> to- >> >> day admin purposes? Password-protected of course. I >> was >> >> going to delete the default admin account created on >> >> upgrade from ME, but perhaps I shouldn't. >> >> >> >> If I did delete it the second Admin account, would the >> >> only option be to use the boot-time Admin for admin >> >> purposes? When I tried going into safe-mode admin, I >> >> noticed when going to control panel user accounts that >> the >> >> regular Restricted user accounts did NOT show up. Only >> >> the two admin accounts. Why is that, and how would I >> >> administer regular user accounts using safe-mode Admin? >> >> >> >> Finally, my second admin account (accessible through >> >> normal logon) has stuff stored under "Documents and >> >> Settings\default" no matter what I call the admin >> account >> >> (i.e. folder is called default, not the name I call the >> >> account). How do I change the name away from >> >> just "default"? Not that important, but I don't like >> such >> >> arbitrary naming. When I've tried renaming, it >> complains >> >> it's a system folder required for windows operation and >> >> cannot be changed. >> >> >> >> Many thanks, sorry for the long post. >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >> >On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 11:39:30 +1000, Raymond Hall wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Is what you are suggesting, the fact that as an >> owner >> >> of my PC and therefore >> >> >> automatically the administrator, I should create a >> user >> >> account that you say >> >> >> I should use, rather than just hit the Owner as I >> >> presently do? In addition, >> >> >> I haven't even set up a password for myself as Owner >> (I >> >> see no desperate >> >> >> need) for fear of messing things up. >> >> >> >> >> >> Hoping you or someone can clarify this business of >> >> passwords and accounts. >> >> >> >> >> >> I went from 95 to XP, and wouldn't go back now, as >> the >> >> profile aspect, >> >> >> whilst taking a bit of time getting used to, is a >> >> definite plus imo. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >A default Administrator account is created when >> >> installing XP that is >> >> >called Administrator. NOTE: There can be more than one >> >> account belonging to >> >> >the administrator group. >> >> > >> >> >If using XP Home, this account is only available by >> >> booting to Safe Mode. >> >> > >> >> >If using XP Pro, the account becomes hidden as soon as >> >> another account is >> >> >created within the Administrator group. Press >> >> Ctrl+Alt+Del twice at the >> >> >welcome screen and type Administrator as user name. >> >> > >> >> >In both Pro and Home, complete the logon by entering >> the >> >> applicable >> >> >password if one has been assigned. On most OEM setups, >> >> the password for >> >> >this account is left blank. If you want to tighten up >> >> security on an OEM >> >> >system, assigning a password to this special account >> is a >> >> good move. >> >> > >> >> >XP will not allow you to delete all local >> administrator >> >> accounts - it >> >> >demands that at least one should be available. >> >> > >> >> >Take a look in Control Panel, User Accounts. If Owner >> is >> >> listed as >> >> >"computer administrator" it is most likely a second >> >> account in the >> >> >administrator group. Folders for the default >> >> Administrator account (any >> >> >account for that matter) may not be visible in Windows >> >> Explorer as these >> >> >are created the first time that an account is logged >> on >> >> to. >> >> > >> >> >Advice to keep the original Administrator account as >> >> pristine as possible >> >> >is valid. It can be a lifesaver for trouble shooting >> >> purposes. Consider a >> >> >second admin account for every day administration >> tasks >> >> and a limited >> >> >account for every day work (see "Best Practices" in XP >> >> Help for accounts >> >> >and account types for more info). This arrangement >> will >> >> leave the default >> >> >account "untouched" and useful if/when a problem crops >> up >> >> where it's >> >> >availability could be invaluable. >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> >Sharon F >> >> >MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User >> >> >. >> >> > >> >. >> >
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