Re: is XP SP2 RC2 advisable for the average FCKGW user?

From: Mike Brannigan [MSFT] (mikebran_at_online.microsoft.com)
Date: 06/21/04 

Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:56:58 +0100

"perfb" <perfb@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:775799ec.0406201747.7048988a@posting.google.com...
> > > yes, quite so, the SP2 RC2 does not work on FCKGW,
> > > which I discovered after downloading all 260Mb of it,
> > > even though M$ has publically announced that SP2 will
> > > eventually work on FCKGW variants.
> > >
> > > So, evidently they are still getting around to it.
> >
> > We did not publicaly announce that the SP2 will work on yor
stolen/pirated
> > software.
> > It will not - please stop using stolen/pirated software.
>
> evidently I was reading old news, circa May 2004.
>
> ---------------------------------------
> http://computertimes.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,5104,2292,00.html
>
> "Microsoft's increasing concern over information security has
> translated into its decision to bite the bullet and make its upcoming
> SP2 (Service Pack 2) security patch available to all users - including
> those using pirated copies of its Windows XP software. "
>
> "We haven't explicitly done anything to SP2 to exclude it from pirated
> copies," said Microsoft group product manager Barry Goffe. The United
> States-based executive was interviewed via telephone."
> -------------------------------------------
>
> Since May, M$ evidently has changed their mind yet again,
> continuing in their trend of fundamental disregard for
> internet security and avoiding responsibility for the consequences
> of their product defects. I hope those product liability lawsuits
> are gathering steam.
>
>

We have a huge regard for Internet Security.
As we have said - SP2 will be available for all legitimate users of Windows
XP.
Your responsibility to the Internet and security is to stop using
stolen/pirated software, pay for what you use and then get SP2 installed on
all your legitimate machines as soon as it is released. 

-- 
Regards,
Mike
--
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"perfb" <perfb@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:775799ec.0406201747.7048988a@posting.google.com...
> > > yes, quite so, the SP2 RC2 does not work on FCKGW,
> > > which I discovered after downloading all 260Mb of it,
> > > even though M$ has publically announced that SP2 will
> > > eventually work on FCKGW variants.
> > >
> > > So, evidently they are still getting around to it.
> >
> > We did not publicaly announce that the SP2 will work on yor
stolen/pirated
> > software.
> > It will not - please stop using stolen/pirated software.
>
> evidently I was reading old news, circa May 2004.
>
> ---------------------------------------
> http://computertimes.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,5104,2292,00.html
>
> "Microsoft's increasing concern over information security has
> translated into its decision to bite the bullet and make its upcoming
> SP2 (Service Pack 2) security patch available to all users - including
> those using pirated copies of its Windows XP software. "
>
> "We haven't explicitly done anything to SP2 to exclude it from pirated
> copies," said Microsoft group product manager Barry Goffe. The United
> States-based executive was interviewed via telephone."
> -------------------------------------------
>
> Since May, M$ evidently has changed their mind yet again,
> continuing in their trend of fundamental disregard for
> internet security and avoiding responsibility for the consequences
> of their product defects.  I hope those product liability lawsuits
> are gathering steam.
>
>
> >
> > From
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/chats/trans/security/sec1211.mspx
> > Host: Mike_Nash (Microsoft)
> > Q: Christian_Hougardy_MVP : Mike, we are slowly coming to our monthly
> > question about patching illegal versions. Did you change your mind about
it,
> > or do we have to ask again ?
> > A: This is a hard question Cristian. We have not changed our mind here.
> > People with illegal copies cannot get updates from WU
> >
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/chats/trans/security/sec0504.mspx
> > Host: Mike Nash (Microsoft)
> > Q: Thanks Mike. But how is Microsoft getting the message out to those
end
> > users? It does not seem like they are getting it
> > A: It's a fair point Jim. I can't quote numbers, but a few things worthy
of
> > note. The number of people using WU is up a lot. We need it to be higher
but
> > the numbers are better. Overall, firewalls are being used more. The
result
> > is more customers having a good experience in worm events like Sasser.
That
> > said, getting people to install SP2 will be a very important opportunity
for
> > customers to be safer. We are going to be working hard to get as many
people
> > as possible to move to SP2. There have also been quite a few questions
about
> > SP2 on pirated machines. We will require a customer to have a legitimate
> > copy of XP in order to install SP2.
> >
> > > > > just wondering what the consensus is on SP2 RC2 re the 'average'
user,
> > > > > is there a lot of issues/crashes/fubar going on?  Or, is RC2 at
least
> > > > > as reliable as the original XP?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a few FCKGw unlicensed XP boxes and would like to try RC2
> > > > > mainly for virus protection as it seems these days the virus
> > > > > writers are winning the game and the average Windows user has
exactly
> >  a
> > > > > 0.000% chance of remaining uninfected, and a 100.000% chance of
> > > > > having an unusable XP box,  within a week of doing surfing/email.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Windows XP SP2 works perfectly well with legally licensed copies of
> >  Windows
> > > > XP.
> > > > I suggest you go out an buy a copy of Windows XP for each of your
PCs.
> > >
> > > hahahahahahahaha!!!!
> > > snort!
> > > and have to do some idiot activation ritual on each one?
> > > fat chance, bubba.
> >
> > A whole one click of a mouse to activate - not exactly a ritual ?
> >
> > > I'd rather stick with FCKGW, which is blissfully free of such
stupidity.
> > >
> >
> > And also unable to be patched to protect you and everyone from various
> > issues.
> >
> > >
> > > > Replace your pirated copies of Windows XP with the new legally
purchased
> > > > retail one and then apply the SP to your designated test machines
(until
> >  we
> > > > release the product).
> > > >
> > > > The short answer is no SP2 does not work well on your stolen/pirated
> > > > software - it will not apply at all.
> > >
> > > but M$ has publically promised it will.
> > > eventually.
> > > evidently they are changing their minds all the time though ...
> > >
> >
> > No we did not, see the quotes above.
> > SP2 is for legitimate users of Windows XP only.
> >
> >
> > -- 
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> > --
> > Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
> >
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights
> >
> > Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
> > newsgroups
> >
> > "perfb" <perfb@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:775799ec.0406192225.4028236f@posting.google.com...
> > > yes, quite so, the SP2 RC2 does not work on FCKGW,
> > > which I discovered after downloading all 260Mb of it,
> > > even though M$ has publically announced that SP2 will
> > > eventually work on FCKGW variants.
> > >
> > > So, evidently they are still getting around to it.
> > >
> > > > > just wondering what the consensus is on SP2 RC2 re the 'average'
user,
> > > > > is there a lot of issues/crashes/fubar going on?  Or, is RC2 at
least
> > > > > as reliable as the original XP?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a few FCKGw unlicensed XP boxes and would like to try RC2
> > > > > mainly for virus protection as it seems these days the virus
> > > > > writers are winning the game and the average Windows user has
exactly
> >  a
> > > > > 0.000% chance of remaining uninfected, and a 100.000% chance of
> > > > > having an unusable XP box,  within a week of doing surfing/email.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Windows XP SP2 works perfectly well with legally licensed copies of
> >  Windows
> > > > XP.
> > > > I suggest you go out an buy a copy of Windows XP for each of your
PCs.
> > >
> > > hahahahahahahaha!!!!
> > > snort!
> > > and have to do some idiot activation ritual on each one?
> > > fat chance, bubba.
> > > I'd rather stick with FCKGW, which is blissfully free of such
stupidity.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Replace your pirated copies of Windows XP with the new legally
purchased
> > > > retail one and then apply the SP to your designated test machines
(until
> >  we
> > > > release the product).
> > > >
> > > > The short answer is no SP2 does not work well on your stolen/pirated
> > > > software - it will not apply at all.
> > >
> > > but M$ has publically promised it will.
> > > eventually.
> > > evidently they are changing their minds all the time though ...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If a solid SP2 doesnt come out soon, Linux might really finally
> > > > > eat M$'s lunch, and we would all be better off for it.