Re: Newsgroup question
From: Michael Stevens (xpnews_at_bogusmichaelstevenstech.com)
Date: 04/30/04
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:20:43 -0700
"*Vanguard*" <no-email@post-reply-in-newsgroup.invalid> wrote in message
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> "The Unknown P" said in
> news:498CEF11-E5E1-404A-A874-C7D9764B7B76@microsoft.com:
> > another good reason to use your web browser instead of the outdated
> > and in my opinion useless OE. Just copy and paste this in your open
> > IE address bar, click go or hit enter on your keyboard and away you
> > go.
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/default.asp
> > Then choose your group\name\e:mail address\search\author and so on
> > and so on. Much more anonymous than OE or any mail program for that
> > matter. I've never used OE and although I've given my mail program a
> > try at the NGs I can't see what all the fuss is about. IE works fine.
> > {:~)
>
> A web interface to newsgroups is much more functional than using an NNTP
> compliant client? Okay, here's some easy questions for ya:
>
> How do you watch a thread using the web interface to newgroups? You
> can't!
>
> How do you automatically color those messages posted by you or by any
> particular sender so they are easily identified? Or, alternatively, how
> do you automatically flag all your own posts to identify in which
> threads you have participated?
>
> If you decide you don't want to see any posts from a troll, how do you
> block them (so you never see their crapola)? If you should take offense
> at my post, how are you going to block me?
>
> The world of computers and the Internet is not Microsoft. How do you
> use a web interface to OTHER news servers that do not provide a web
> interface? In other words, for Internet-standard news servers that use
> the NNTP (Network News Transfer Protocol), there is no web interface.
> Don't be saying Google Groups is the answer which has its own set of
> problems (no attachments, having to use an e-mail address to validate an
> account signup and then use it to post, taking 4 hours before your post
> shows up, constantly having to click a "more" link to read the rest of a
> message which then removes you from the frame view showing the thread
> and instead get stuck into a single-post view, and so on). Also, there
> are "private" news servers that do NOT sync up their newsgroups across
> the world with other news servers, so Google Groups will never have
> those newsgroups. Some private news servers have private access, like
> within your company for company-only communications. Some private news
> servers have public access, like news.grc.com.
>
> How do you filter the posts so you view only those that are dated within
> the last 5 or 10 days? Do you really need to read all those old posts,
> or are you really interested in those that appeared today, or maybe
> within the last few days? By filtering out posts outside a 5-day limit
> then you not only delete old message that you won't read anyway but you
> also delete those future-dated messages from users that can't figure out
> how to set their computer's clock.
>
> When looking for a particular post, and with only a single input textbox
> available in which to specify your search criteria when using a web
> interface, how do you differentiate your search to find those posts from
> sender "King" from those posts where the message content talked about
> "Martin Luther King"? You have no way to specify in which portion of
> the posts to do the search.
>
> If you are a dial-up user (I'm not but used to be a long time ago), how
> do you store an offline copy of all the messages or, at least, their
> headers so you can later review them while offline? You can't. The web
> interface requires that you be online to look. There is no history or
> store of messages available to look at them offline.
>
> What if there are offensive messages in the newsgroup. How do you
> delete them so you won't see them when revisiting that newsgroup? Some
> a-hole posts porn, spam, or other unrelated and undesirable message.
> Why bother having to see even its header everyday until it eventually
> expires off the server when, in OE, you could just hit the Del key to
> remove it from your local store and because its message ID already got
> downloaded then that message won't reappear in the message list anymore.
> You have no way of trimming out messages from newsgroup. Hell, you
> don't even have a way to define a view to dictate what messages you can
> see. You have to see them all.
>
> So a web interface to newsgroups is more powerful, huh? NOT!
>
>
Could not have stated it better. The UnP has no clue about posting to
newsgroups. Anyone that makes the statement " A web interface to newsgroups
is much more functional than using an NNTP compliant client" is not a viable
source for information on the use of newsgroups.
Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP Shell
xpnews@notmichaelstevenstech.com
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
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