Re: floppy disks
From: johnf (john_f_at_bigREMOVEpond.net.au)
Date: 04/12/04
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:52:21 +1000
Yep, I tried the self-same fix, but had no success to date - perhaps I'd
better read it more carefully.
-- johnf > This fix works for the know floppy problem, it's hard to read cause I > sniped it. I have use the procedure on several systems and works every > time. The fix is tords the bottom as the link to the 3mode drivers. > > At our school we are having all the floppy problems mentioned in this > NG.The only one that is 100% reproducable is this: take a floppy, > format it inWin9x, and put files on it. Stick it in an XP PC and > select "Copy Disk"from the A: drive context menu. We get errors nearly > 100% of the time. Ifound the following fix > at:http://discuss.extremetech.com/n/mb/display.asp?webtag=extremetech&msg=21 > 301.1 posted by someone called cluberti. The drivers he mentions work, > butthey leave a phantom B: 5.25 drive that needs to be > disabled.------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------I looked at everything I could find, > and everything technically SHOULD bethe same in the way Windows 98 and > Windows XP format and access floppydiskettes (FAT12, 512bytes/sector, > etc). And what did I find? As usual,things have changed (and you > wouldn't know it unless you dug deep). Thefollowing is what I found > (and how I fixed it - get this information OUTTHERE): After beating my > head against the wall for a few weeks and polling everyoneI knew > personally that was running Windows XP, I found that quite a few ofus > had this problem - format and/or use a floppy in XP, it doesn't work > inWin98 (and sometimes Windows 2000 too). Format and/or use a floppy > inWindows 95, 98, ME, NT, or 2000, it no longer works in XP (even if it > workedbefore). It seemed that the brand name PC's had this problem > lessfrequently than a white box machine, but they were not immune > either -especially Compaq PC's. So, I dug around google groups for a > while, andfound LOTS of people complaining of this particular problem. > However, quitea few searches on Microsoft's site about floppies, > corruption, and WindowsXP turned up absolutely nothing of value. After > LOTS of digging, I did find this interesting Microsoft Q > article(http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q309623) > that I hadoriginally perused and thought of no use. I read it again, > very CAREFULLY,and read it over a few times more to make sure what I > was reading was reallythere. If you're interested, read it in all it's > glory on the Microsoftsite and be amazed - then come back (open a new > tab or window! :O) here forthe fix. For those of you not inclined to > visit Microsoft.com (and you know who youare ;O), here's the > interesting tidbit (and the root of the problem): "Windows XP supports > formatting only the 1.44MB disk format. Three-modefloppy drives (drives > that are capable of reading/writing with 720KB, 1.2MBand 1.44MB 3.5" > disks) requires special driver support, and support for thisfeature is > not included in Windows XP. Some 3mode FD drivers may be installed on > PCs with Windows XP by OEMs,although Microsoft does not provide the > end-user support for 3mode drivers.Please contact your OEM (Original > Equipment Manufacturer) if you have anyquestions on 3mode drivers." Why > did they remove something that every other version of Windows has? > Idon't know either. Nonetheless, support is gone in the Microsoft > floppydriver for Windows XP. Now, I have two white box PC's - one with > a Mitsumi floppy and one with aSony floppy disk drive. Both drives > support reading/writing/formatting of720K, 1.2MB and 1.44MB floppies > (hence "3mode" floppy). Notice in the Qarticle that if the drive > supports formatting of anything more than 1.44MBfloppies, it isn't > supported! Since *most* floppy disk drives from Japanesevendors (Sony, > Mitsumi, etc) are 3 mode, does this mean a lot of people willbe in the > same boat? It appears so. It so happens that my 2 machines were > running Windows XP Pro - as previouslystated, one has a Mitsumi floppy, > and one has a Sony floppy. Both were quadbooting, running Debian Linux > (Woody), Windows 98 SE, Windows 2000 (one hasSP2, one has SP3), and > Windows XP Professional (one has SP1, one does not).Both PC's were > basically identical in software loads, and both PC's had thesame > problem; XP wouldn't read a floppy diskette formatted in Linux orWin98, > and Linux and Win98 were running ON THE SAME MACHINE. I could > formatthe floppy to 1.44MB in Windows XP, but then I couldn't read it > in Win98(Linux would read the floppy); swapping formatted floppies > amongst machinesproduced the same results. This meant that it wasn't a > hardware problem, itwas an XP problem - more specifically, a driver > problem. So I went looking for a 3mode floppy driver. First, I tried > the Windows2000 stock floppy driver. No go. I tried the Windows ME > floppy driver.Again, no go. I tried the Windows 98 floppy driver. > Nada. It took me a day or two more, but I found one at > http://www.viaarena.com.This driver is for Windows XP Embedded, but > works just fine in Windows XP.I had to force the driver in (Windows XP > wouldn't take it using the normaldriver update process), but I now have > no problems with my floppy drive. Isuggest you download this before > they pull it in violation of the DMCA orsomething ;O) Here's the link > to the > driver:http://downloads.viaarena.com/WinXPE/Oct02/XPe_3mflp132_v10.zip > And here are the steps necessary to install it (make sure there isn't > afloppy disk in the drive!): 1. Download driver. 2. Unzip the driver > somewhere (I keep all of my drivers inC:\Drivers\<Driver>, so I > extracted it to C:\Drivers\3mode). 3. Open Windows XP's Device Manager, > expand the "Floppy disk controllers"heading, and double-click the > listing for "Standard floppy disk controller". 4. Click the "Driver" > tab, then click the "Update Driver" button. 5. Select the "Install from > a list or specific location" radio button andclick the "Next" button. > 6. Select the "Don't search. I will choose the driver to install." > radiobutton and click the "Next" button. 7. Click the "Have Disk" > button; then, click the "Browse" button. Browse tothe location that > you extracted the files to in step 2 and double click the"VIA3MFPY.INF" > file. Then, click the "OK" button. 8. You should now have "VIA 3-mode > floppy controller" highlighted in thedrivers list. Click the "Next" > button to begin the driver file copy. Oncethe file copy is complete, > your floppy disk drive will access 3 times(checking all 3 "modes"). > This is normal. Click the "Finish" button whenthe driver installation > is complete. 9a. You may, or may not, have a device labeled "Unknown > Device" in the"Other Devices" heading in Device Manager. If so, > continue with step 9a.If not, skip to step 9b. If you have a device > labeled "Unknown Device" inthe "Other Devices" heading in Device > Manager, right-click on it and select"Update Driver". Follow steps 5 > through 8 to complete the installation of"Floppy disk drive" (note that > the naming of the driver in the drivers listin step 8 may be different > during this step - this is normal). Once you'veclicked the "Finish" > button, continue on to step 10. 9b. If you do not have a device labeled > "Unknown Device" in the "OtherDevices" heading in Device Manager, > expand the "Floppy disk drives" headingin Device Manager and > double-click the listing for "Floppy disk drive".Follow steps 4 through > 8 to complete the installation of "Floppy disk drive"(note that the > naming of the driver in the drivers list in step 8 may bedifferent > during this step - this is normal). Once you've clicked the"Finish" > button, continue on to step 10. > 10. Reboot your PC. This should let you know if all of your hard > workREALLY paid off. Check the Device Manager one last time to be sure > that younow have the "VIA 3-mode floppy controller listed under the > "Floppy diskcontrollers" heading. Put a file on a floppy in Win98 (or > another non-XPOS) and you should now be able to access it in Windows XP > (and vice-versa)without issue. You made it! Pass this > on!------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----------------------------Microsoft needs to get this fixed. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > Google Home - Advertise with Us - Business Solutions - Services & > Tools - Jobs, Press, & Help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message > news:O$qsn%23EIEHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >> Floppy drive are subject to wear and XP seems to be more >> critical in tracking the floppy drive sectors on the disk. >> Try several times to read the floppy, insert it and take it >> out several times, also while you have the drive select in >> Explorer or My Computer, right click and select "refresh" >> several times, the wiper arm may detect and read the data, >> if it does copy it to your hard drive. >> >> If that doesn't work I would suggest you spend $10-20 and >> buy a new drive. >> >> >> "astrph" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >> message news:16afc01c42047$9bf0e880$a001280a@phx.gbl... >>> Can't open several floppy disks i previously stored and >>> accessed files on, both at home on Windows XP and at work >>> on Windows NT.....get error message "disk is not >>> formatted". desperately need the info stored, can anyone >>> help? Thanks, a
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