Re: No boot and no administrator password!
From: Paul (anonymous_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 04/06/04
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:21:06 -0700
Well crapola..
I didn't make the rescue disks, and although I have PM
version 7.01 installed on my inaccessible machine I can't
install the CD on another system because I can't find the
CD jacket with the license # on it.
I see some Linux based tools available on the internet to
accomplish what I need to do as a last resort. (don't know
how to image the downloaded files onto a bootable floppy
though >(
Any other ways to skin this cat Michael?
Thanks for all your help!
>-----Original Message-----
>It does have it's own boot disks if you remembered to
make them. Not sure
>if the CD is bootable. If you have access to another
setup, you can make
>the boot disks or you may find some additional
instructions on the CD about
>what you might do in this situation.
>
>--
>Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>Windows Shell/User
>Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>
>"Paul" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
>news:17d2001c419d1$799dcae0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
>> Huzzaah!
>>
>> I have Partition Magic 7.0 and it is XP compatible. I
>> don't recall though that it was a bootable CD since it
>> worked within Windows.
>>
>> I'll give it a shot and let you know.
>>
>> THANKS Michael!
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>OK, still another way to skin this cat. You'll need a
>> new partition, if you
>>>don't have a spare partition you can mark active, you'll
>> need third party
>>>software such as Partition Magic, www.powerquest.com,
>> check website for XP
>>>compatible versions. Install XP to that partition boot
>> to it, then copy
>>>your data from the old setup to the new setup.
>>>
>>>You will likely be met with a cannot access notice with
>> regard to the files,
>>>if that happens, you need to take ownership as follows:
>>>
>>>Note, file ownership and permissions supersede
>> administrator rights. How
>>>you resolve it depends upon which version of XP you are
>> running.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>XP-Home
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, XP Home using NTFS is essentially hard
>> wired for "Simple File
>>>Sharing" at system level.
>>>
>>>However, you can set XP Home permissions in Safe Mode.
>> Reboot, and start
>>>hitting F8, a menu should eventually appear and one of
the
>>>options is Safe Mode. Select it. Note, it will ask for
>> the administrator's
>>>password. This is not your administrator account,
rather
>> it is the
>>>machine's administrator account for which users are
asked
>> to create a
>>>password during setup.
>>>
>>>If you created no such password, when requested, leave
>> blank and press
>>>enter.
>>>
>>>Open Explorer, go to Tools and Folder Options, on the
>> view tab, scroll to
>>>the bottom of the list, if it shows "Enable Simple File
>> Sharing" deselect it
>>>and click apply and ok. If it shows nothing or won't
let
>> you make a change,
>>>move on to the next step.
>>>
>>>Navigate to the files, right click, select properties,
go
>> to the Security
>>>tab, click advanced, go to the Owner tab and select the
>> user that was logged
>>>on when you were refused permission to access the files.
>> Click apply and
>>>ok. Close the properties box, reopen it, click add and
>> type in the name of
>>>the user you just enabled. If you wish to set ownership
>> for everything in
>>>the folder, at the bottom of the Owner tab is the
>> following selection:
>>>"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects," select it
>> as well.
>>>
>>>Once complete, you should be able to do what you wish
>> with these files when
>>>you log back on as that user.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>XP-Pro
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>If you have XP Pro, temporarily change the limited
>> account to
>>>administrative. First, go to Windows Explorer, go to
>> Tools, select Folder
>>>Options, go to the View tab and be sure "Use Simple File
>> Sharing" is not
>>>selected. If it is, deselect it and click apply and ok.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>If you wish everything in a specific folder to be
>> accessible to a user,
>>>right click the folder, select properties, go to the
>> Security tab, click
>>>Advanced, go to the Owner tab,
>>>select the user you wish to have access, at the bottom
of
>> the box, you
>>>should see a check box for "Replace owner on
>> subcontainers and objects,"
>>>place a check in the box and click apply and ok.
>>>
>>>The user should now be able to perform necessary
>> functions on files in the
>>>folder even as a limited account. If not, make it an
>> admin account again,
>>>right click the folder, select Properties, go to the
>> Security tab and be
>>>sure the user is listed in the user list. If not, click
>> add and type the
>>>user name in the appropriate box, be sure the user has
>> all the necessary
>>>permissions checked in the permission list below the
user
>> list, click apply
>>>and ok.
>>>
>>>That should do it and allow whatever access you desire
>> for that folder even
>>>in a limited account.
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>>>Windows Shell/User
>>>Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>>>DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>>
>>>
>>><lawnetpfm@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1351801c419bf$4d328160$a001280a@phx.gbl...
>>>> Hidden, secret... it's all the same to me!
>>>>
>>>> Yeah I've tried all of the options at the safe mode
>> page,
>>>> all giving me the same message: <windows
>>>> root>\system32.hal.dll is corrupted or missing.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot do a clean install and lose all my data
knowing
>>>> that there is an 'unconventional' way past this
problem.
>>>> Guess I'll have to do some googling and find a
>> workaround.
>>>>
>>>> If you have any other ideas, feel free please to share
>>>> them with me either via this thread, or email shown
>> above.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again Michael...
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>LOL, it's not a secret...it's a hidden account that is
>>>> called administrator.
>>>>>Most people don't make a password for it when they
>>>> install and if XP was
>>>>>installed at the factory they don't make a password
for
>>>> it so the key would
>>>>>be, to select Administrator, leave the password blank
>> and
>>>> press enter.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, ok, that didn't work. Two possible options
here.
>>>> First, let's try
>>>>>"Last Known Good Configuration." Boot the system,
start
>>>> tapping F8, when
>>>>>the menu appears, select "Last Known Good
>> Configuration,"
>>>> press enter and
>>>>>see if that resolves it. If that fails, do the same
as
>>>> above but choose
>>>>>Safe Mode, if you can get in, you'll be able to
change
>>>> the boot.ini file.
>>>>>
>>>>>If the above fails, I can't see any way out of this
but
>>>> to wipe the drive
>>>>>and start over. Since you have an OEM install but an
XP
>>>> upgrade CD, you'll
>>>>>need qualifying media at some point during the
>>>> installation in order to do a
>>>>>clean install with the upgrade CD.
>>>>>
>>>>>Booting from a floppy will accomplish nothing as the
>>>> floppy is fat and your
>>>>>drive is likely formatted NTFS.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>>>>>Windows Shell/User
>>>>>Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>>>>>DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>>>>
>>>>>"Paul" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>>>news:181fe01c419ba$e54a74d0$a101280a@phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Yes, I have tried that to no avail. I've also
tried a
>>>>>> million passwords that I can ever remember, but also
>> to
>>>> no
>>>>>> avail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My desktop is NOT password protected,(computer boots
>>>>>> straight to desktop) so I'm baffled as to why it
asks
>>>> for
>>>>>> an admin password, when one is not in place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this a bug? I've read about 'secret'
administrator
>>>>>> accounts being created, but not sure if this applies
>>>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's really frustrating knowing that I can't boot
>>>> because
>>>>>> of a simple invalid value (0 instead of a 1) I put
in
>>>> the
>>>>>> boot.ini file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible to copy a simple boot.ini command
onto
>> a
>>>>>> floppy and boot from that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again Michael for your generous support!
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>At the Recovery Console, have you tried just leaving
>> the
>>>>>> password blank and
>>>>>>>pressing enter?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>>>>>>>Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>>>>>>>DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Paul" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>news:181b201c419af$dce123d0$a101280a@phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Thanks Michael for the prompt reply!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One problem here. I'm using an XP Home upgrade CD
>> to
>>>>>>>> repair an OEM system, thus it finds no previous
>>>>>>>> installations to repair. Following your
>> directions, I
>>>>>>>> arrive at a screen where my only options are to
>> setup,
>>>>>>>> partition, or delete partition. I was able to
>>>> navigate
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> a screen where I was able to point the console to
a
>>>>>>>> specific folder to install windows to, instead of
>>>>>>>> C:\windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So now I'm back to a useless recovery console due
>> to a
>>>>>>>> phantom administrator password that doesn't
>> exist#@#@.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any other suggestions would be highly appreciated!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>Try a Repair Install instead of Recovery Console.
>>>> NOTE:
>>>>>>>> in the instructions
>>>>>>>>>below, when you come to the screen that asks you
to
>>>>>>>> choose Setup Windows or
>>>>>>>>>"R" for Repair, you want Setup Windows, this will
>>>>>>>> ultimately take you to the
>>>>>>>>>repair option.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Assuming your system is set to boot from the CD-
ROM
>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>> and you have an
>>>>>>>>>actual XP CD as opposed to a recovery CD, boot
with
>>>> the
>>>>>> XP
>>>>>>>>>CD in the drive and perform a repair install as
>>>> outlined
>>>>>>>> below. If the
>>>>>>>>>system isn't set to boot from the CD or you are
not
>>>>>> sure,
>>>>>>>> you need to enter
>>>>>>>>>the system's BIOS. When you boot the system, the
>>>> first
>>>>>>>> screen usually has
>>>>>>>>>instructions that if you wish to enter set press a
>>>>>>>> specific key, when you
>>>>>>>>>see that, do so. Then you will have to navigate
to
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> boot sequence, if
>>>>>>>>>the CD-ROM drive is not first line, set it first
in
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> boot sequence. Save
>>>>>>>>>your settings and exit with the XP CD in the
drive.
>>>> The
>>>>>>>> system will reboot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>NOTE, while a repair install should leave your
data
>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>> intact, if
>>>>>>>>>something goes wrong during the repair install,
you
>>>> may
>>>>>>>> be forced to start
>>>>>>>>>over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't
>> have
>>>>>>>> your data backed up,
>>>>>>>>>you would lose your data should that eventuality
>>>> occur.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be
able
>> to
>>>>>>>> boot from the CD, it
>>>>>>>>>should detect the disk and give a brief message,
>>>> during
>>>>>>>> the boot up, if you
>>>>>>>>>wish to boot from the CD press any key.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin.
>> You
>>>>>>>> will see a reference
>>>>>>>>>asking if you need to load special drivers and
>> another
>>>>>>>> notice that if you
>>>>>>>>>wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console)
>>>>>>>> depress F2. Just let
>>>>>>>>>setup run past all of that. It will continue to
>> load
>>>>>>>> files and drivers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually,
you
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> come to a screen
>>>>>>>>>with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair
>>>>>>>> Windows Installation
>>>>>>>>>using the Recovery console.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The first option, to setup Windows is the one you
>> want
>>>>>>>> and requires you to
>>>>>>>>>press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the
end
>>>>>> user
>>>>>>>> agreement. Setup
>>>>>>>>>will then search for previous versions of Windows.
>>>> Upon
>>>>>>>> finding your
>>>>>>>>>version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your
>>>> current
>>>>>>>> installation or
>>>>>>>>>install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair
>>>>>>>> installation. From there
>>>>>>>>>on, follow the screens.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>>>>>>>>>Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>>>>>>>>>DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Paul FM" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> wrote
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>news:17b1301c41921$647438d0$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Ugh... long story, but today I fiddled with my
>>>>>> boot.ini
>>>>>>>>>> file (had 2 XP operating systems at OS choice
>>>> screen)
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> XP Home and now I'm locked out of my computer.
(no
>>>>>>>> boot) I
>>>>>>>>>> get the error message: <windows root>\system32
>>>> \hal.dll
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> missing or corrupt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no problem I think, I'll just repair it in
the
>>>> XP
>>>>>>>>>> recovery console. It asks me for an
administrator
>>>>>>>>>> password -- but I have PW disabled for my
>>>>>> administrator
>>>>>>>>>> account, so I have no clue what to do to get in,
>>>> short
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> trying every password that I've ever used.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please help, this is FRUSTRATING!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks kindly, in advance!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>.
>>>
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