Re: No boot and no administrator password!
From: Paul (anonymous_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 04/03/04
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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:14:55 -0800
Huzzaah!
I have Partition Magic 7.0 and it is XP compatible. I
don't recall though that it was a bootable CD since it
worked within Windows.
I'll give it a shot and let you know.
THANKS Michael!
>-----Original Message-----
>OK, still another way to skin this cat. You'll need a
new partition, if you
>don't have a spare partition you can mark active, you'll
need third party
>software such as Partition Magic, www.powerquest.com,
check website for XP
>compatible versions. Install XP to that partition boot
to it, then copy
>your data from the old setup to the new setup.
>
>You will likely be met with a cannot access notice with
regard to the files,
>if that happens, you need to take ownership as follows:
>
>Note, file ownership and permissions supersede
administrator rights. How
>you resolve it depends upon which version of XP you are
running.
>
>
>
>XP-Home
>
>
>
>Unfortunately, XP Home using NTFS is essentially hard
wired for "Simple File
>Sharing" at system level.
>
>However, you can set XP Home permissions in Safe Mode.
Reboot, and start
>hitting F8, a menu should eventually appear and one of the
>options is Safe Mode. Select it. Note, it will ask for
the administrator's
>password. This is not your administrator account, rather
it is the
>machine's administrator account for which users are asked
to create a
>password during setup.
>
>If you created no such password, when requested, leave
blank and press
>enter.
>
>Open Explorer, go to Tools and Folder Options, on the
view tab, scroll to
>the bottom of the list, if it shows "Enable Simple File
Sharing" deselect it
>and click apply and ok. If it shows nothing or won't let
you make a change,
>move on to the next step.
>
>Navigate to the files, right click, select properties, go
to the Security
>tab, click advanced, go to the Owner tab and select the
user that was logged
>on when you were refused permission to access the files.
Click apply and
>ok. Close the properties box, reopen it, click add and
type in the name of
>the user you just enabled. If you wish to set ownership
for everything in
>the folder, at the bottom of the Owner tab is the
following selection:
>"Replace owner on subcontainers and objects," select it
as well.
>
>Once complete, you should be able to do what you wish
with these files when
>you log back on as that user.
>
>
>
>XP-Pro
>
>
>
>If you have XP Pro, temporarily change the limited
account to
>administrative. First, go to Windows Explorer, go to
Tools, select Folder
>Options, go to the View tab and be sure "Use Simple File
Sharing" is not
>selected. If it is, deselect it and click apply and ok.
>
>
>
>If you wish everything in a specific folder to be
accessible to a user,
>right click the folder, select properties, go to the
Security tab, click
>Advanced, go to the Owner tab,
>select the user you wish to have access, at the bottom of
the box, you
>should see a check box for "Replace owner on
subcontainers and objects,"
>place a check in the box and click apply and ok.
>
>The user should now be able to perform necessary
functions on files in the
>folder even as a limited account. If not, make it an
admin account again,
>right click the folder, select Properties, go to the
Security tab and be
>sure the user is listed in the user list. If not, click
add and type the
>user name in the appropriate box, be sure the user has
all the necessary
>permissions checked in the permission list below the user
list, click apply
>and ok.
>
>That should do it and allow whatever access you desire
for that folder even
>in a limited account.
>
>
>--
>Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>Windows Shell/User
>Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>
>
><lawnetpfm@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1351801c419bf$4d328160$a001280a@phx.gbl...
>> Hidden, secret... it's all the same to me!
>>
>> Yeah I've tried all of the options at the safe mode
page,
>> all giving me the same message: <windows
>> root>\system32.hal.dll is corrupted or missing.
>>
>> I cannot do a clean install and lose all my data knowing
>> that there is an 'unconventional' way past this problem.
>> Guess I'll have to do some googling and find a
workaround.
>>
>> If you have any other ideas, feel free please to share
>> them with me either via this thread, or email shown
above.
>>
>> Thanks again Michael...
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>LOL, it's not a secret...it's a hidden account that is
>> called administrator.
>>>Most people don't make a password for it when they
>> install and if XP was
>>>installed at the factory they don't make a password for
>> it so the key would
>>>be, to select Administrator, leave the password blank
and
>> press enter.
>>>
>>>Well, ok, that didn't work. Two possible options here.
>> First, let's try
>>>"Last Known Good Configuration." Boot the system, start
>> tapping F8, when
>>>the menu appears, select "Last Known Good
Configuration,"
>> press enter and
>>>see if that resolves it. If that fails, do the same as
>> above but choose
>>>Safe Mode, if you can get in, you'll be able to change
>> the boot.ini file.
>>>
>>>If the above fails, I can't see any way out of this but
>> to wipe the drive
>>>and start over. Since you have an OEM install but an XP
>> upgrade CD, you'll
>>>need qualifying media at some point during the
>> installation in order to do a
>>>clean install with the upgrade CD.
>>>
>>>Booting from a floppy will accomplish nothing as the
>> floppy is fat and your
>>>drive is likely formatted NTFS.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>>>Windows Shell/User
>>>Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>>>DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>>
>>>"Paul" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>>>news:181fe01c419ba$e54a74d0$a101280a@phx.gbl...
>>>> Yes, I have tried that to no avail. I've also tried a
>>>> million passwords that I can ever remember, but also
to
>> no
>>>> avail.
>>>>
>>>> My desktop is NOT password protected,(computer boots
>>>> straight to desktop) so I'm baffled as to why it asks
>> for
>>>> an admin password, when one is not in place.
>>>>
>>>> Is this a bug? I've read about 'secret' administrator
>>>> accounts being created, but not sure if this applies
>> here.
>>>>
>>>> It's really frustrating knowing that I can't boot
>> because
>>>> of a simple invalid value (0 instead of a 1) I put in
>> the
>>>> boot.ini file.
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to copy a simple boot.ini command onto
a
>>>> floppy and boot from that?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again Michael for your generous support!
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>At the Recovery Console, have you tried just leaving
the
>>>> password blank and
>>>>>pressing enter?
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>>>>>Windows Shell/User
>>>>>Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>>>>>DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>>>>
>>>>>"Paul" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>>>news:181b201c419af$dce123d0$a101280a@phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Thanks Michael for the prompt reply!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One problem here. I'm using an XP Home upgrade CD
to
>>>>>> repair an OEM system, thus it finds no previous
>>>>>> installations to repair. Following your
directions, I
>>>>>> arrive at a screen where my only options are to
setup,
>>>>>> partition, or delete partition. I was able to
>> navigate
>>>> to
>>>>>> a screen where I was able to point the console to a
>>>>>> specific folder to install windows to, instead of
>>>>>> C:\windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So now I'm back to a useless recovery console due
to a
>>>>>> phantom administrator password that doesn't
exist#@#@.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any other suggestions would be highly appreciated!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>Try a Repair Install instead of Recovery Console.
>> NOTE:
>>>>>> in the instructions
>>>>>>>below, when you come to the screen that asks you to
>>>>>> choose Setup Windows or
>>>>>>>"R" for Repair, you want Setup Windows, this will
>>>>>> ultimately take you to the
>>>>>>>repair option.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Assuming your system is set to boot from the CD-ROM
>>>> drive
>>>>>> and you have an
>>>>>>>actual XP CD as opposed to a recovery CD, boot with
>> the
>>>> XP
>>>>>>>CD in the drive and perform a repair install as
>> outlined
>>>>>> below. If the
>>>>>>>system isn't set to boot from the CD or you are not
>>>> sure,
>>>>>> you need to enter
>>>>>>>the system's BIOS. When you boot the system, the
>> first
>>>>>> screen usually has
>>>>>>>instructions that if you wish to enter set press a
>>>>>> specific key, when you
>>>>>>>see that, do so. Then you will have to navigate to
>> the
>>>>>> boot sequence, if
>>>>>>>the CD-ROM drive is not first line, set it first in
>> the
>>>>>> boot sequence. Save
>>>>>>>your settings and exit with the XP CD in the drive.
>> The
>>>>>> system will reboot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>NOTE, while a repair install should leave your data
>>>> files
>>>>>> intact, if
>>>>>>>something goes wrong during the repair install, you
>> may
>>>>>> be forced to start
>>>>>>>over and do a clean install of XP. If you don't
have
>>>>>> your data backed up,
>>>>>>>you would lose your data should that eventuality
>> occur.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Boot from the CD. If your system is set to be able
to
>>>>>> boot from the CD, it
>>>>>>>should detect the disk and give a brief message,
>> during
>>>>>> the boot up, if you
>>>>>>>wish to boot from the CD press any key.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Once you have pressed a key, setup should begin.
You
>>>>>> will see a reference
>>>>>>>asking if you need to load special drivers and
another
>>>>>> notice that if you
>>>>>>>wish to begin the ASR (Automatic Recovery Console)
>>>>>> depress F2. Just let
>>>>>>>setup run past all of that. It will continue to
load
>>>>>> files and drivers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then it will bring you to a screen. Eventually, you
>>>> will
>>>>>> come to a screen
>>>>>>>with the option to (1) setup Windows or (2) Repair
>>>>>> Windows Installation
>>>>>>>using the Recovery console.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The first option, to setup Windows is the one you
want
>>>>>> and requires you to
>>>>>>>press enter. When asked, press F8 to accept the end
>>>> user
>>>>>> agreement. Setup
>>>>>>>will then search for previous versions of Windows.
>> Upon
>>>>>> finding your
>>>>>>>version, it will ask if you wish to Repair your
>> current
>>>>>> installation or
>>>>>>>install fresh. Press R, that will run a repair
>>>>>> installation. From there
>>>>>>>on, follow the screens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>>>>>>>Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>>>>>>>DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Paul FM" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote
>> in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>news:17b1301c41921$647438d0$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Ugh... long story, but today I fiddled with my
>>>> boot.ini
>>>>>>>> file (had 2 XP operating systems at OS choice
>> screen)
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> XP Home and now I'm locked out of my computer. (no
>>>>>> boot) I
>>>>>>>> get the error message: <windows root>\system32
>> \hal.dll
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> missing or corrupt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, no problem I think, I'll just repair it in the
>> XP
>>>>>>>> recovery console. It asks me for an administrator
>>>>>>>> password -- but I have PW disabled for my
>>>> administrator
>>>>>>>> account, so I have no clue what to do to get in,
>> short
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> trying every password that I've ever used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please help, this is FRUSTRATING!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks kindly, in advance!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>.
>>>
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>
>.
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