Re: Automate Install/Connection - VPN/TS Sessions
From: Jamie (jdilbone_at_earthlink.net)
Date: 09/29/04
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:03:05 -0400
I think I may have complicated things...I simply want to have my remote
people login from home and run one application via terminal services. There
will be peak times but it will be more like peek time of year than time of
day. I am in an educational k-12 setting and Citrix on top of a 13,000
server is not an option. If I could do just exactly what the demo did I
would be happy.:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/demos/mod09.htm
It is a simple interface into our database. At the present time I can
create a VPN and then TS using internal IP scheme from home and access the
application on the network and access the DB. What I want to do now is
automate the install and the connection process just like the demo shows
accept I want to have my app instead of Outlook. I have been playing around
with CMAK and can create a connection file but getting the rest to happen is
eluding me. But I love this stuff....
Jamie
"Patrick Rouse [MVP]" <PatrickRouseMVP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:121539EE-05FE-4D35-B352-0A1EC4C7CB72@microsoft.com...
> I would look at a 3rd party program like Citrix MetaFrame to automate
things
> with this many users at different locations. Citrix has a better Web
> Interface that can be used with virtually any browser, shows different
> published applications, based on logged on user, has better printing
support
> and supports advanced load balancing features.
>
> If you use Terminal Server (and optional Citrix MetaFrame), have you
thought
> of how many servers you'll need to support 50+ concurrent users of your
> database?
>
>
> P.S. Yes, it does, it just doesn't have pictures. The RDWC setup on a 2003
> server takes about 2 minutes, via add/remove programs, just like stated in
> this link:
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/standard/proddocs/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/standard/proddocs/en-us/rdesktop_install_webcli.asp
>
> "The link that you provided (unless I am missing something) is a list of
> links to MS site that explains what can be done but not how to....but
again
> I might be missing something."
>
> For an install of this size you should start in a lab environment to
> simulate your deployment, so there are no surprises.
>
> A shortcut to the exe can be launched in a terminal server session, of
> Citrix Published Application just as easily as from your own desktop.
What I
> fear is that 50 concurrent fat client sessions to your DB + name
resolution &
> printing traffic will saturate your fractional T3 (how many channels?),
which
> is why you need to test in a lab to determine your actual bandwidth
> requirements with VPN & Fat Client vs. Terminal Server/Citrix connection.
>
> I'm not trying to push you to do one thing or another, but just to get to
to
> determine which meets all of your requirements.
>
>
> Patrick Rouse
> Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> http://www.workthin.com
>
>
>
> "Jamie" wrote:
>
> > Patrick,
> >
> > We will be having 100 or so connection at various times possibly 50 max
at
> > the same time. We have a frac T-3 on site that will handle the sessions
I am
> > sure. Our users will be connecting from home at various times over
DU/DSL or
> > Cable.
> >
> > > If you configure the user's account to launch this application, which
is
> > > installed on the Terminal Server, then when they launch the Remote
Desktop
> > > Web Connection they'll see a button that say's "connect", which will
take
> > > them to the logon, and launch your application
> >
> > The application will not be "installed" on the terminal server nor do I
> > have the option of installing the front end on the client computer it
has to
> > run via the exe that is located in the network share in the same
location as
> > the DB...so on the desktop on the internal network each user desktop has
a
> > shortcut to \\server\dir1\subdir\application.exe which then interfaces
with
> > a DB on the same server. I hope I am explaining this well enough and
thanks
> > again for the help.
> >
> > The link that you provided (unless I am missing something) is a list of
> > links to MS site that explains what can be done but not how to....but
again
> > I might be missing something.
> >
> > Thanks again..
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> >
> > "Patrick Rouse [MVP]" <PatrickRouseMVP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in
> > message news:6FF1BF97-CE69-4E68-A3F5-7FE759A2BF33@microsoft.com...
> > > If you configure the user's account to launch this application, which
is
> > > installed on the Terminal Server, then when they launch the Remote
Desktop
> > > Web Connection they'll see a button that say's "connect", which will
take
> > > them to the logon, and launch your application.
> > >
> > > I posted this link in my last reply, which as info on how-to setup the
> > RDWC:
> > > http://www.workthin.com/tshta.htm#RemoteDesktopWebConnection
> > >
> > > The other option is to install the Remote Desktop Connection locally
on
> > each
> > > remote computer, then give each user a RDP Connection to connect to
launch
> > > the application (which can even store their logon credentials).
> > >
> > > How to configure the Remote Desktop Client
> > > http://www.workthin.com/tshta.htm#RemoteDesktopClientConfiguration
> > >
> > > Download the Remote Desktop Client or RDWC:
> > > http://www.workthin.com/tsdown.htm
> > >
> > > The problem with running the application front-end on each computer,
and
> > > connecting to the back-end over VPN, is that this usually requires a
lot
> > of
> > > bandwidth, and I'm not rteferring to a T1, Cable or xDSL Connection.
If
> > you
> > > run the app on a Terminal Server you can get by with as little as
26.4Kbps
> > > per connection, and never have to go to the remote site to update the
> > > database front-end, because it's running on your terminal server.
> > >
> > > If you require the low bandwidth of a terminal server connection, but
also
> > > require the application to run as if it were installed on the local
> > computer
> > > (in a seamless window), you can look at applications like WTSPortal,
> > > Tarantella Canaveral iQ, DAT Panther Server, or Citrix MetaFrame,...
> > which
> > > all do this, but each has more features in the order that I listed
them.
> > >
> > > How many users will be connecting over the Internet Connection?
> > >
> > > Links to all of these here:
> > > http://www.workthin.com/tsao.htm
> > >
> > > A 384Kbps SDSL Connection can handle about 7-15 concurrent RDP
Sessions,
> > > depending on how graphical in nature the application is, and how much
> > > printing and file transfer users do the their remote location.
> > >
> > > Patrick Rouse
> > > Microsoft MVp - Terminal Server
> > > http://www.workthin.com
> > >
> > > "Jamie" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Patrick,
> > > >
> > > > Where do I find info on how to implement can you point me to a good
how
> > to
> > > > reference web or other? If there is a good book out I will buy it I
have
> > to
> > > > have this done soon.
> > > >
> > > > Also the client is opened internally with a shortcut to an exe on a
> > network
> > > > share....software developer restriction not mine. So I would need to
be
> > able
> > > > to start the app the same way from the web connection.
> > > >
> > > > What I want to happen when they connect is the app is automatically
run
> > > > which brings them to their login screen for the database. This has
to be
> > > > easy and deployable over DU as well as broadband also.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks much for the help,
> > > > Jamie
> > > >
> > > > "Patrick Rouse [MVP]" <PatrickRouseMVP@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote
> > in
> > > > message news:AA4886EB-554E-49D5-9857-3E27DBCB40ED@microsoft.com...
> > > > > Have you considered using the Remote Desktop Web Connection which
> > would
> > > > allow
> > > > > you do deliver the client & configuration settings via Internet
> > Explorer?
> > > > > You can restrict users to one application via their user account,
but
> > > > should
> > > > > go further to restrict access to the servers resources, as it's
not
> > hard
> > > > for
> > > > > users to spawn an Explorer.exe, cmd.exe or Iexplore.exe via many
> > > > applications.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.workthin.com/tshta.htm#RemoteDesktopWebConnection
> > > > >
> > > > > Customized RDWC with no server selection box, which is set in the
> > > > default.htm:
> > > > > http://www.workthin.com/ZIP/TSWeb.zip
> > > > >
> > > > > VPN connection is NOT needed to connect to a Terminal Server, as
RDP
> > > > > Sessions are natively encrypted. I actually discourage the
deployment
> > of
> > > > > VPNs unless they're site-to-site (router to router) VPNs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick Rouse
> > > > > Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> > > > > http://www.workthin.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick Rouse
> > > > > Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> > > > > http://www.workthin.com
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jamie" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can someone get me pointed in the right direction on how to do
this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/demos/mod09.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have to give remote access to some of our teleworkers and at
> > present
> > > > only
> > > > > > want to give them access to ONE application which is the
front-end
> > to an
> > > > > > internal database. I have a WIN2003 server on the way that I
believe
> > can
> > > > > > handle VPN and TS sessions for all the users that will connect.
What
> > I
> > > > need
> > > > > > to do is to automate the installation of the connection as well
as
> > > > severely
> > > > > > restrict the access. They will login and the app will launch as
soon
> > as
> > > > the
> > > > > > close the app they will be logged off.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually I have two sets of users one group will get one app and
> > another
> > > > > > group gets another different app.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know that this is "doable" but can not figure out where to get
the
> > > > info on
> > > > > > getting it started. The client side can be 98/ME/2000/XP and
> > possibly a
> > > > > > MAC...although the MAC is not a show stopper. Variety of
connection
> > > > > > DSL/Cable/DU. I wanted to do PPTP VPN since my current firewall
will
> > not
> > > > > > pass the IPSEC "stuff" with its current load.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for any help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jamie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
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