Re: Starting Windows 2000 hangs on new install.
From: Dan Seur (click_at_casta.net)
Date: 04/26/04
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:57:24 -0400
I haven't read this whole threar, but:
1. W2k requires W2k-specific device drivers. Drivers written for other
op sys will not work correctly.
2. W2k is EXTREMELY demanding of hardware, as are all NT-class systems;
they will roll over and play dead on hardware that easily passes the
simple DOS-based sys (like ME) reqts. This is a "reliability" virtue.
3. There's a quick way to have W2k check your machine for W2k
compliance. With any 32-bit Winsystem (9x/ME/2k/XP) booted and the W2k
CD in the CD drive, navigate to and run:
[CD:}\i386\winnt32.exe /checkupgradeonly
With that parameter, this will not start an install; winnt32 will merely
analyze the PC hardware (and some app setups) and give you a nicely
formatted report on potential problems found and in many cases what you
can do about them.
(The 16-bit installer winnt.exe does not have this parameter.)
Geoffw wrote:
> what are the power settings on the motherboard apm/acpi ??
>
> win2K is very fussy about hardware
>
> is the fan mounted Ok on the cpu - temp problems ?
>
> faulty power supply ?
>
> rotate the ram perhaps one is faulty.
>
> re seat on cards and peripherals.
>
> I think you mentioned but try a minimal setup first
>
> good luck
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
> "Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:c6gimt$d15$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>
>>Oh dear - no hope for me then ! :-(
>>All the various bits for this new PC were gradually
>
> purchased last Autumn. I
>
>>was then busy working away from home over the winter so I
>
> only got the time
>
>>to try putting everything together about 3 weeks ago.
>>Logically, I find it difficult to understand why one build
>
> using a set of
>
>>components might work while another build using identical
>
> components might
>
>>fail. I can accept that it might happen occasionally but,
>
> in the absence of
>
>>an actual fault somewhere, I can't understand it.
>>Given that all other parts have been swapped, the logical
>
> conclusion is that
>
>>the problem lies between the CPU and Windows 2000. Either
>
> the XP2400 is
>
>>unable to work in some way that only Windows 2000 (and no
>
> other op system)
>
>>requires, or Windows 2000 is trying to do something with
>
> the XP2400 (and not
>
>>with other processors) which the XP2400 should not be
>
> doing. The problem
>
>>lies in proving which one - the XP2400 or Windows 2000 -
>
> is faulty. In the
>
>>absence of decent diagnostics from Windows 2000, and
>
> comprehendsive CPU test
>
>>and diagnostic software, this is pretty much impossible.
>>Purchasing either another XP2400 CPU, or another copy of
>
> Windows 2000, is
>
>>not a financially viable option for me.
>>The one thing I think I need now is some way forward. By
>
> all accounts an
>
>>XP2400 on a GA-7VRXP should be able to run Windows 2000,
>
> so it is case of
>
>>pin-pointing the problem.
>>Very gratefull for all the help received so far, I'm
>
> hoping that somebody
>
>>has a good idea.
>>TIA
>>Kevin.
>>
>>DL <dl@spoofmail.com> wrote:
>>| I mention BT merely as an example of my experience with
>
> a piece of
>
>>| hardware not functioning, whilst on an identical setup
>
> it was ok.
>
>>| I'm trying to point out; that there are occasions when
>
> with identical
>
>>| setups one will work and the other will not.
>>| The likelyhood is that if you were able to swap out the
>
> mobo and cpu
>
>>| for identical products it would be OK.
>>| The only hope for this is if you bought at same time
>
> from same
>
>>| supplier
>>|
>>| "Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>| news:c6g47v$clh$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>>|| DL <> wrote:
>>||| BT? - your ISP is BT
>>||
>>|| Well yes, my ISP is BT but I don't think they'd want to
>
> get involved
>
>>|| with a hardware or software problem on a machine which
>
> hasn't got as
>
>>|| far as being 'connected' yet. It can be bad enough (and
>
> very
>
>>|| time-consuming) trying to get BT to help when there's a
>
> connection
>
>>|| problem, or their DNS servers are down. Their
>
> expensive-to-call
>
>>|| helpdesk staff just follow a 'script' of inappropriate
>
> questions and
>
>>|| misleading suggestions (like insisting that I should
>
> re-install all
>
>>|| my software and buy a new router when they have a DNS
>
> problem !). I
>
>>|| can imagine they'd probably have me going out buying a
>
> new monitor,
>
>>|| or removing the HSF to see if the XP2400 gets warm
>
> enough ! Their
>
>>|| support is worse than useless - the only reason I stick
>
> with them is
>
>>|| because it would be too much hassle if I lost this
>
> e-mail address as
>
>>|| I use it to get work.
>>|| I've already tried swapping out the m/board for another
>
> identical
>
>>|| one - and the problem was identical too. I could have a
>
> shot at
>
>>|| trying to return the CPU, but I'd need to show that it
>
> is faulty
>
>>|| first. As it will merrily run Windows Me (or several
>
> other op
>
>>|| systems I've tried) with no problem then that is going
>
> to be
>
>>|| difficult. I could counter that with saying that a Duon
>
> 650 does run
>
>>|| everything fine.
>>|| The one variable I haven't tried in this 'equation' yet
>
> is a
>
>>|| completely different m/board. It might just be that the
>
> combination
>
>>|| of GA-7VRXP, XP2400 and Windows 2000 are incompatible.
>
> At the
>
>>|| moment, I can swap the XP2400 for a Duron 650, or swap
>
> Windows 2000
>
>>|| for Windows Me and get a result. What I haven't tried
>
> is some
>
>>|| different m/board. The main barrier with this is that a
>
> new m/board
>
>>|| is just as inaffordable as a new CPU.
>>|| I think my PC is bad for my mental health !
>>|| Kevin.
>>||
>>||| I spoke with them because I was able to identify the
>
> initial problem
>
>>||| as been with their hardware.
>>||| The problem is that you have at least three pieces of
>
> kit, any of
>
>>||| which could be the problem, though its more likely to
>
> be hardware
>
>>||| than software. If you recently purchased mobo or cpu
>
> are you able to
>
>>||| exchange ?
>>|||
>>||| "Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>||| news:c6f48p$irc$1@titan.btinternet.com...
>>|||| DL <> wrote:
>>||||| Nothing special as far as I'm aware, I only had the
>
> problem with
>
>>||||| one AMD cpu, never cured it and I did swap it for
>
> another
>
>>||||| identical cpu, gave up, upgraded mobo and cpu.
>>||||| There have been reports of the occasional problems
>
> with various
>
>>||||| hardware and AMD, though this was some years ago,
>
> where seemingly
>
>>||||| with identical hardware one would have a conflict
>
> and the other
>
>>||||| wouldnt.
>>||||| I got into some deep conversations with BT and AMD
>
> over this
>
>>||||| issue.
>>||||
>>|||| BT ? - who are they ?
>>|||| I would really like for MS to be involved. After all,
>
> it is Windows
>
>>|||| 2000 which is going wrong and failing to provide an
>
> error message.
>
>>|||| I'll certainly have words with AMD support, who I
>
> expect will refer
>
>>|||| me to Gigabyte, who in turn will either ignore me or
>
> refer me
>
>>|||| elsewhere.
>>|||| The question is: if I were to go out and buy another
>
> GA-7VRXP
>
>>|||| m/board, AMD XP2400 processor, and a fresh
>
> shrink-wrapped copy of
>
>>|||| Windows 2000 would it all work ?
>>|||| Kevin.
>>||||
>>||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
>>||||| news:c6eqjg$43g$1@titan.btinternet.com...
>>|||||| DL <> wrote:
>>||||||| I've changed mobo's and cpu's on many Win2K setups
>
> the only one
>
>>||||||| I had trouble with was a1.3Duron, and that was an
>
> heat problem,
>
>>||||||| even using OTT coolers - never got to the bottom
>
> of it!!
>
>>|||||||
>>||||||| When I mentioned entering the bios I meant was the
>
> new cpu being
>
>>||||||| correctly identified
>>||||||
>>|||||| Yes - the BIOS identifies both the Duron 650 and
>
> the XP2400
>
>>|||||| correctly. In the Windows Me installation which
>
> works with either
>
>>|||||| processor (I swap HDs) I have a few utilities which
>
> can run
>
>>|||||| system identification and
>>||||| benchmarking -
>>|||||| everything shows up correctly with all of them.
>
> What I don't have
>
>>|||||| is any software to fully test out a CPU. I can
>
> identify it, burn
>
>>|||||| it in and benchmark it - but not fully test it, the
>
> whole works -
>
>>|||||| all instructions, caches, pipelines, everything. I
>
> think that
>
>>|||||| this would have to be my next step short of
>
> actually buying
>
>>|||||| another XP2400 (ouch - my poor wallet). I guess
>
> there isn't a
>
>>|||||| special way you have
>>|||||| to install Windows 2000 on an XP processor because
>
> of the SSE
>
>>|||||| instructions, is there ?
>>|||||| TIA
>>|||||| Kevin.
>>||||||
>>||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
>>||||||| news:c6deah$s2r$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
>>|||||||| DL <> wrote:
>>||||||||| Sorry missed the line about mobo;
>>|||||||| No worries, mate, it was early on in the thread.
>
> ;-)
>
>>||||||||| With mobo switches on auto, Boots/Runs OK with
>
> Duran. - yes?
>
>>|||||||| Oh yes, yes, yes. I can even play around with the
>
> FSB and
>
>>|||||||| multiplier switches and overclock the Duron 650
>
> up to 897 MHz
>
>>|||||||| and it still
>>|||||||| works fine. Solid processor, that Duron.
>>||||||||| Matrox drivers installed for win2k? - yes?
>>|||||||| Well, no they weren't. Matrox cards do the
>
> standard VESA modes
>
>>|||||||| properly so they are fine with Windows 'generic
>
> VGA card'
>
>>|||||||| drivers.
>>|||||||| I have now tried installing the latest Matrox
>
> drivers and guess
>
>>|||||||| what ? - no change.
>>||||||||| Change the cpu, restart, enter the bios and
>
> check settings, eg
>
>>||||||||| cpu.
>>|||||||| I've tried this, with the settings on auto and
>
> with the
>
>>|||||||| settings forcing the correct FSB and multiplier.
>
> I've even
>
>>|||||||| tried underclocking the XP2400 a bit. Still no
>
> change - works
>
>>|||||||| fine in Windows Me and hangs at Windows 2000
>
> startup.
>
>>||||||||| If OK reboot from win2k installation disk ( you
>
> may have to
>
>>||||||||| enable boot from cd in bios) and repair.
>>|||||||| Tried this and of course the repair installation
>
> hangs after
>
>>|||||||| the 'Starting Windows' progress bar again. Had to
>
> swap back to
>
>>|||||||| the Duron 650 to get that to finish again.
>>||||||||| Other than that you appear to have covered
>
> everything.
>
>>|||||||| That's what I thought, but there is still a
>
> problem. The way
>
>>|||||||| things are going I might be better off using this
>
> PC as
>
>>|||||||| landfill and 'cover everything' with concrete !
>>||||||||| Good luck
>>|||||||| I think I need more than luck - I need a miracle.
>
> At least, I
>
>>|||||||| could do with some decent diagnostics out of
>
> Windows 2000. I
>
>>|||||||| don't really want to have to spend the rest of my
>
> life trying
>
>>|||||||| to edit video on a Duron 650.
>>|||||||| Thanks for the help.
>>|||||||| Kevin.
>>||||||||
>>||||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
>>||||||||| news:c61h6v$r0f$1@titan.btinternet.com...
>>|||||||||| Sorry- I though that was known. The motherboard
>
> is a Gigabyte
>
>>|||||||||| GA-7VRXP (I have tried two samples) Rev1.1, as
>
> staed in my
>
>>|||||||||| original post which is still at the foot of
>
> this thread.
>
>>|||||||||| Originally I left the m/board switches for FSB
>
> and multiplier
>
>>|||||||||| in the 'auto' setting, as was the memory bus
>
> clock. Since
>
>>|||||||||| then I've tried slowing things down from 133
>
> MHz to 100 MHz
>
>>|||||||||| on the FSB (effectively 266 -> 200 due to DDR),
>
> and from 166
>
>>|||||||||| MHz to 133 MHz then 100 MHz on the memory bus
>
> clock (DDR =
>
>>|||||||||| 333 -> 266 -> 200). Same result every time -
>
> problem
>
>>|||||||||| persists.
>>|||||||||| M/board BIOS is 'F12', which is the latest on
>
> the Gigabyte
>
>>|||||||||| web site. Not too sure what else I can adjust
>
> without doing
>
>>|||||||||| damage. Kevin.
>>||||||||||
>>|||||||||| DL <> wrote:
>>||||||||||| If I understand correctly;
>>||||||||||| Using Duran, win2k installed and booted
>
> correctly
>
>>||||||||||| With XP2400 it wouldnt boot ( Win98 is I
>
> believe slightly
>
>>||||||||||| more hardware 'fault' tolerant)
>>||||||||||| If this is the case might suggest a mobo
>
> setting, with this
>
>>||||||||||| cpu, or possibly bios update required.
>>||||||||||| What is the mobo?
>>|||||||||||
>>||||||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
>>||||||||||| news:c60fh8$dc7$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
>>|||||||||||| I'm on about as mininal as the system can go
>
> anyway, the
>
>>|||||||||||| only card being the Matrix G400 graphics
>
> card.
>
>>|||||||||||| I've tried swapping every system component
>
> individually
>
>>|||||||||||| for a replacement - except for the processor
>
> (expensive
>
>>|||||||||||| !). The
>>|||||||||||| same result every time - the system hangs
>
> when the
>
>>|||||||||||| 'Starting Windows' progress bar completes.
>
> With a fresh
>
>>|||||||||||| install, this
>>|||||||||||| is as far as I can get - the install
>>|||||||||||| hasn't completed sufficiently to give me any
>
> 'recovery'
>
>>|||||||||||| options.
>>|||||||||||| I did try swapping out the XP2400 processor
>
> for an old
>
>>|||||||||||| Duron 650 - and it worked fine ! Problem
>
> with that is
>
>>|||||||||||| that the Duron 650 doesn't give enough
>
> performance for the
>
>>|||||||||||| video editing I'm
>>|||||||||||| planning to do.
>>|||||||||||| After the system was fully working with the
>
> Duron 650 I
>
>>|||||||||||| went back to the XP2400 and the problem
>
> re-emerged just
>
>>|||||||||||| the same.
>>|||||||||||| I also tried installing Windows Me and that
>
> runs on the
>
>>|||||||||||| XP2400 fine, so I'm not inclined to blame the
>
> processor.
>
>>|||||||||||| Could there be something which Windows 2000
>
> is doing with
>
>>|||||||||||| the XP2400 which doesn't happen with a
>
> different processor
>
>>|||||||||||| or op system ?
>>|||||||||||| I'm really confused with this - any help
>
> gratefully
>
>>|||||||||||| appreciated. Kevin.
>>||||||||||||
>>|||||||||||| DL <> wrote:
>>||||||||||||| Tried installing to min sys, Monitor, KeyB,
>
> mouse,cd - no
>
>>||||||||||||| cards, extra hardware
>>||||||||||||| and or with a single DDR?
>>|||||||||||||
>>||||||||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
>>|||||||||||||
>
> news:15bf201c41b60$b9c8a000$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>
>>|||||||||||||| I've just installed Windows 2000 onto a new
>
> machine and
>
>>|||||||||||||| it hangs indefinitely when the 'Starting
>
> Windows'
>
>>|||||||||||||| progress bar completes. No error messages
>
> or re-boots -
>
>>|||||||||||||| it just hangs. Machine spec:
>>|||||||||||||| AMD XP2400 processor,
>>|||||||||||||| Gigabyte GA-7VRXP m/board,
>>|||||||||||||| 2 x 256 Mb DDR PC2700 RAM,
>>|||||||||||||| 330w PSU,
>>|||||||||||||| Seagate 60 Gb HDD.
>>|||||||||||||| The m/board, memory and HDD have been
>
> swapped-out with no
>
>>|||||||||||||| change in result. The system can boot into
>
> DOS, from
>
>>|||||||||||||| either floppy or HD fine.
>>|||||||||||||| I think I might have seen similar problems
>
> reported
>
>>|||||||||||||| before, but don't recall seeing any
>
> solution.
>
>>|||||||||||||| Please help.
>>|||||||||||||| Regards,
>>|||||||||||||| Kevin.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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