Re: Starting Windows 2000 hangs on new install.
From: DL (dl_at_spoofmail.com)
Date: 04/25/04
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 00:16:24 +0100
There might also be other mobo updated drivers.
I've heard it said that winme is less 'hardware picky' than win2k
"Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> That's okay - I need some straws to clutch at ! ;-)
> Yes - that's the frustrating thing. If I could pin this problem down to
one
> particular thing, and demonstrate that it was faulty, then I could do
> something about getting it replaced. I agree that all we seem to be able
to
> say is that there is something in the difference between Windows 2000 and
> Windows Me which won't work correctly with the combination of XP2400 and
> GA-7VRXP, and yet is fine with a Duron 650 in the GA-7VRXP.
> The logical inference is that either the XP2400 or Windows 2000 is faulty,
> but I cannot determine which.
> Given the complexities of making a 'slipstreamed' install CD, it strikes
me
> that I could use a simpler method. I can install Windows 2000 and run it
> fine with the Duron 650, but then when I switch over to the XP2400 it
hangs.
> So I guess I could install a Service Pack with the Duron 650 then switch
to
> the XP2400 to see if the Service pack had 'corrected a fault' in Windows
> 2000 ? Given that there are four sevice packs, then I suppose I could
cycle
> through this procedure four times.
> The GA-7VRXP is Revision 1.1 and came with the F12 BIOS fitted - this is
the
> same as the latest BIOS for the board available from the Gigabyte web
site,
> so I have no updating or flashing to do. I think that BIOS corruptions can
> be ruled out as the board has 'Dual BIOS technology'.
> If the vital clue to the problem lies in the difference between a
> thunderbird-core Duron 650 and a thoroughbred-core XP2400, then there are
> two differences - SSE instructions and level 2 cache. If Windows 2000 has
a
> problem with either of these two, then I would expect that one of the
> Service Packs would directly address that problem. Microsoft do not appear
> to have documented this, but would they ?
> Kevin.
>
> DL <> wrote:
> | The problem lies with the cpu, mobo and win2k interacting with both
> | Its more likely to be the first two combination.
> | As for what/why???
> | You could I guess, try creating a new slipstreamed win2k install cd.
> | Though I confess I doubt it would make any difference
> | Another thing I notice there are three revisions of this mobo, you
> | updated correct drivers / bios for your revision?
> | -clutching at straws here?-
> |
> | "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> | news:c6gimt$d15$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> || Oh dear - no hope for me then ! :-(
> || All the various bits for this new PC were gradually purchased last
> || Autumn. I was then busy working away from home over the winter so I
> || only got the time to try putting everything together about 3 weeks
> || ago.
> || Logically, I find it difficult to understand why one build using a
> || set of components might work while another build using identical
> || components might fail. I can accept that it might happen
> || occasionally but, in the absence of an actual fault somewhere, I
> || can't understand it.
> || Given that all other parts have been swapped, the logical conclusion
> || is that the problem lies between the CPU and Windows 2000. Either
> || the XP2400 is unable to work in some way that only Windows 2000 (and
> || no other op system) requires, or Windows 2000 is trying to do
> || something with the XP2400 (and not with other processors) which the
> || XP2400 should not be doing. The problem lies in proving which one -
> || the XP2400 or Windows 2000 - is faulty. In the absence of decent
> || diagnostics from Windows 2000, and comprehendsive CPU test and
> || diagnostic software, this is pretty much impossible.
> || Purchasing either another XP2400 CPU, or another copy of Windows
> || 2000, is not a financially viable option for me.
> || The one thing I think I need now is some way forward. By all
> || accounts an XP2400 on a GA-7VRXP should be able to run Windows 2000,
> || so it is case of pin-pointing the problem.
> || Very gratefull for all the help received so far, I'm hoping that
> || somebody has a good idea.
> || TIA
> || Kevin.
> ||
> || DL <> wrote:
> ||| I mention BT merely as an example of my experience with a piece of
> ||| hardware not functioning, whilst on an identical setup it was ok.
> ||| I'm trying to point out; that there are occasions when with
> ||| identical setups one will work and the other will not.
> ||| The likelyhood is that if you were able to swap out the mobo and cpu
> ||| for identical products it would be OK.
> ||| The only hope for this is if you bought at same time from same
> ||| supplier
> |||
> ||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> ||| news:c6g47v$clh$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> |||| DL <> wrote:
> ||||| BT? - your ISP is BT
> ||||
> |||| Well yes, my ISP is BT but I don't think they'd want to get
> |||| involved with a hardware or software problem on a machine which
> |||| hasn't got as far as being 'connected' yet. It can be bad enough
> |||| (and very time-consuming) trying to get BT to help when there's a
> |||| connection problem, or their DNS servers are down. Their
> |||| expensive-to-call helpdesk staff just follow a 'script' of
> |||| inappropriate questions and misleading suggestions (like insisting
> |||| that I should re-install all
> |||| my software and buy a new router when they have a DNS problem !). I
> |||| can imagine they'd probably have me going out buying a new monitor,
> |||| or removing the HSF to see if the XP2400 gets warm enough ! Their
> |||| support is worse than useless - the only reason I stick with them
> |||| is because it would be too much hassle if I lost this e-mail
> |||| address as
> |||| I use it to get work.
> |||| I've already tried swapping out the m/board for another identical
> |||| one - and the problem was identical too. I could have a shot at
> |||| trying to return the CPU, but I'd need to show that it is faulty
> |||| first. As it will merrily run Windows Me (or several other op
> |||| systems I've tried) with no problem then that is going to be
> |||| difficult. I could counter that with saying that a Duon 650 does
> |||| run everything fine.
> |||| The one variable I haven't tried in this 'equation' yet is a
> |||| completely different m/board. It might just be that the combination
> |||| of GA-7VRXP, XP2400 and Windows 2000 are incompatible. At the
> |||| moment, I can swap the XP2400 for a Duron 650, or swap Windows 2000
> |||| for Windows Me and get a result. What I haven't tried is some
> |||| different m/board. The main barrier with this is that a new m/board
> |||| is just as inaffordable as a new CPU.
> |||| I think my PC is bad for my mental health !
> |||| Kevin.
> ||||
> ||||| I spoke with them because I was able to identify the initial
> ||||| problem as been with their hardware.
> ||||| The problem is that you have at least three pieces of kit, any of
> ||||| which could be the problem, though its more likely to be hardware
> ||||| than software. If you recently purchased mobo or cpu are you able
> ||||| to exchange ?
> |||||
> ||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> ||||| news:c6f48p$irc$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> |||||| DL <> wrote:
> ||||||| Nothing special as far as I'm aware, I only had the problem with
> ||||||| one AMD cpu, never cured it and I did swap it for another
> ||||||| identical cpu, gave up, upgraded mobo and cpu.
> ||||||| There have been reports of the occasional problems with various
> ||||||| hardware and AMD, though this was some years ago, where
> ||||||| seemingly with identical hardware one would have a conflict and
> ||||||| the other wouldnt.
> ||||||| I got into some deep conversations with BT and AMD over this
> ||||||| issue.
> ||||||
> |||||| BT ? - who are they ?
> |||||| I would really like for MS to be involved. After all, it is
> |||||| Windows 2000 which is going wrong and failing to provide an
> |||||| error message. I'll certainly have words with AMD support, who I
> |||||| expect will refer me to Gigabyte, who in turn will either ignore
> |||||| me or refer me elsewhere.
> |||||| The question is: if I were to go out and buy another GA-7VRXP
> |||||| m/board, AMD XP2400 processor, and a fresh shrink-wrapped copy of
> |||||| Windows 2000 would it all work ?
> |||||| Kevin.
> ||||||
> ||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> ||||||| news:c6eqjg$43g$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> |||||||| DL <> wrote:
> ||||||||| I've changed mobo's and cpu's on many Win2K setups the only
> ||||||||| one
> ||||||||| I had trouble with was a1.3Duron, and that was an heat
> ||||||||| problem, even using OTT coolers - never got to the bottom of
> ||||||||| it!!
> |||||||||
> ||||||||| When I mentioned entering the bios I meant was the new cpu
> ||||||||| being correctly identified
> ||||||||
> |||||||| Yes - the BIOS identifies both the Duron 650 and the XP2400
> |||||||| correctly. In the Windows Me installation which works with
> |||||||| either processor (I swap HDs) I have a few utilities which can
> |||||||| run
> |||||||| system identification and
> ||||||| benchmarking -
> |||||||| everything shows up correctly with all of them. What I don't
> |||||||| have is any software to fully test out a CPU. I can identify
> |||||||| it, burn it in and benchmark it - but not fully test it, the
> |||||||| whole works - all instructions, caches, pipelines, everything.
> |||||||| I think that
> |||||||| this would have to be my next step short of actually buying
> |||||||| another XP2400 (ouch - my poor wallet). I guess there isn't a
> |||||||| special way you have
> |||||||| to install Windows 2000 on an XP processor because of the SSE
> |||||||| instructions, is there ?
> |||||||| TIA
> |||||||| Kevin.
> ||||||||
> ||||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> ||||||||| news:c6deah$s2r$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> |||||||||| DL <> wrote:
> ||||||||||| Sorry missed the line about mobo;
> |||||||||| No worries, mate, it was early on in the thread. ;-)
> ||||||||||| With mobo switches on auto, Boots/Runs OK with Duran. - yes?
> |||||||||| Oh yes, yes, yes. I can even play around with the FSB and
> |||||||||| multiplier switches and overclock the Duron 650 up to 897 MHz
> |||||||||| and it still
> |||||||||| works fine. Solid processor, that Duron.
> ||||||||||| Matrox drivers installed for win2k? - yes?
> |||||||||| Well, no they weren't. Matrox cards do the standard VESA
> |||||||||| modes properly so they are fine with Windows 'generic VGA
> |||||||||| card' drivers.
> |||||||||| I have now tried installing the latest Matrox drivers and
> |||||||||| guess what ? - no change.
> ||||||||||| Change the cpu, restart, enter the bios and check settings,
> ||||||||||| eg cpu.
> |||||||||| I've tried this, with the settings on auto and with the
> |||||||||| settings forcing the correct FSB and multiplier. I've even
> |||||||||| tried underclocking the XP2400 a bit. Still no change - works
> |||||||||| fine in Windows Me and hangs at Windows 2000 startup.
> ||||||||||| If OK reboot from win2k installation disk ( you may have to
> ||||||||||| enable boot from cd in bios) and repair.
> |||||||||| Tried this and of course the repair installation hangs after
> |||||||||| the 'Starting Windows' progress bar again. Had to swap back
> |||||||||| to the Duron 650 to get that to finish again.
> ||||||||||| Other than that you appear to have covered everything.
> |||||||||| That's what I thought, but there is still a problem. The way
> |||||||||| things are going I might be better off using this PC as
> |||||||||| landfill and 'cover everything' with concrete !
> ||||||||||| Good luck
> |||||||||| I think I need more than luck - I need a miracle. At least, I
> |||||||||| could do with some decent diagnostics out of Windows 2000. I
> |||||||||| don't really want to have to spend the rest of my life trying
> |||||||||| to edit video on a Duron 650.
> |||||||||| Thanks for the help.
> |||||||||| Kevin.
> ||||||||||
> ||||||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> ||||||||||| news:c61h6v$r0f$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> |||||||||||| Sorry- I though that was known. The motherboard is a
> |||||||||||| Gigabyte GA-7VRXP (I have tried two samples) Rev1.1, as
> |||||||||||| staed in my original post which is still at the foot of
> |||||||||||| this thread. Originally I left the m/board switches for
> |||||||||||| FSB and multiplier in the 'auto' setting, as was the
> |||||||||||| memory bus clock. Since
> |||||||||||| then I've tried slowing things down from 133 MHz to 100 MHz
> |||||||||||| on the FSB (effectively 266 -> 200 due to DDR), and from
> |||||||||||| 166 MHz to 133 MHz then 100 MHz on the memory bus clock
> |||||||||||| (DDR = 333 -> 266 -> 200). Same result every time - problem
> |||||||||||| persists.
> |||||||||||| M/board BIOS is 'F12', which is the latest on the Gigabyte
> |||||||||||| web site. Not too sure what else I can adjust without doing
> |||||||||||| damage. Kevin.
> ||||||||||||
> |||||||||||| DL <> wrote:
> ||||||||||||| If I understand correctly;
> ||||||||||||| Using Duran, win2k installed and booted correctly
> ||||||||||||| With XP2400 it wouldnt boot ( Win98 is I believe slightly
> ||||||||||||| more hardware 'fault' tolerant)
> ||||||||||||| If this is the case might suggest a mobo setting, with
> ||||||||||||| this cpu, or possibly bios update required.
> ||||||||||||| What is the mobo?
> |||||||||||||
> ||||||||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> ||||||||||||| news:c60fh8$dc7$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> |||||||||||||| I'm on about as mininal as the system can go anyway, the
> |||||||||||||| only card being the Matrix G400 graphics card.
> |||||||||||||| I've tried swapping every system component individually
> |||||||||||||| for a replacement - except for the processor (expensive
> |||||||||||||| !). The
> |||||||||||||| same result every time - the system hangs when the
> |||||||||||||| 'Starting Windows' progress bar completes. With a fresh
> |||||||||||||| install, this
> |||||||||||||| is as far as I can get - the install
> |||||||||||||| hasn't completed sufficiently to give me any 'recovery'
> |||||||||||||| options.
> |||||||||||||| I did try swapping out the XP2400 processor for an old
> |||||||||||||| Duron 650 - and it worked fine ! Problem with that is
> |||||||||||||| that the Duron 650 doesn't give enough performance for
> |||||||||||||| the video editing I'm
> |||||||||||||| planning to do.
> |||||||||||||| After the system was fully working with the Duron 650 I
> |||||||||||||| went back to the XP2400 and the problem re-emerged just
> |||||||||||||| the same.
> |||||||||||||| I also tried installing Windows Me and that runs on the
> |||||||||||||| XP2400 fine, so I'm not inclined to blame the processor.
> |||||||||||||| Could there be something which Windows 2000 is doing with
> |||||||||||||| the XP2400 which doesn't happen with a different
> |||||||||||||| processor or op system ?
> |||||||||||||| I'm really confused with this - any help gratefully
> |||||||||||||| appreciated. Kevin.
> ||||||||||||||
> |||||||||||||| DL <> wrote:
> ||||||||||||||| Tried installing to min sys, Monitor, KeyB, mouse,cd -
> ||||||||||||||| no cards, extra hardware
> ||||||||||||||| and or with a single DDR?
> |||||||||||||||
> ||||||||||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> ||||||||||||||| news:15bf201c41b60$b9c8a000$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> |||||||||||||||| I've just installed Windows 2000 onto a new machine and
> |||||||||||||||| it hangs indefinitely when the 'Starting Windows'
> |||||||||||||||| progress bar completes. No error messages or re-boots -
> |||||||||||||||| it just hangs. Machine spec:
> |||||||||||||||| AMD XP2400 processor,
> |||||||||||||||| Gigabyte GA-7VRXP m/board,
> |||||||||||||||| 2 x 256 Mb DDR PC2700 RAM,
> |||||||||||||||| 330w PSU,
> |||||||||||||||| Seagate 60 Gb HDD.
> |||||||||||||||| The m/board, memory and HDD have been swapped-out with
> |||||||||||||||| no change in result. The system can boot into DOS, from
> |||||||||||||||| either floppy or HD fine.
> |||||||||||||||| I think I might have seen similar problems reported
> |||||||||||||||| before, but don't recall seeing any solution.
> |||||||||||||||| Please help.
> |||||||||||||||| Regards,
> |||||||||||||||| Kevin.
>
>
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