Re: Starting Windows 2000 hangs on new install.
From: DL (dl_at_spoofmail.com)
Date: 04/25/04
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:43:28 +0100
The problem lies with the cpu, mobo and win2k interacting with both
Its more likely to be the first two combination.
As for what/why???
You could I guess, try creating a new slipstreamed win2k install cd.
Though I confess I doubt it would make any difference
Another thing I notice there are three revisions of this mobo, you updated
correct drivers / bios for your revision?
-clutching at straws here?-
"Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c6gimt$d15$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> Oh dear - no hope for me then ! :-(
> All the various bits for this new PC were gradually purchased last Autumn.
I
> was then busy working away from home over the winter so I only got the
time
> to try putting everything together about 3 weeks ago.
> Logically, I find it difficult to understand why one build using a set of
> components might work while another build using identical components might
> fail. I can accept that it might happen occasionally but, in the absence
of
> an actual fault somewhere, I can't understand it.
> Given that all other parts have been swapped, the logical conclusion is
that
> the problem lies between the CPU and Windows 2000. Either the XP2400 is
> unable to work in some way that only Windows 2000 (and no other op system)
> requires, or Windows 2000 is trying to do something with the XP2400 (and
not
> with other processors) which the XP2400 should not be doing. The problem
> lies in proving which one - the XP2400 or Windows 2000 - is faulty. In the
> absence of decent diagnostics from Windows 2000, and comprehendsive CPU
test
> and diagnostic software, this is pretty much impossible.
> Purchasing either another XP2400 CPU, or another copy of Windows 2000, is
> not a financially viable option for me.
> The one thing I think I need now is some way forward. By all accounts an
> XP2400 on a GA-7VRXP should be able to run Windows 2000, so it is case of
> pin-pointing the problem.
> Very gratefull for all the help received so far, I'm hoping that somebody
> has a good idea.
> TIA
> Kevin.
>
> DL <dl@spoofmail.com> wrote:
> | I mention BT merely as an example of my experience with a piece of
> | hardware not functioning, whilst on an identical setup it was ok.
> | I'm trying to point out; that there are occasions when with identical
> | setups one will work and the other will not.
> | The likelyhood is that if you were able to swap out the mobo and cpu
> | for identical products it would be OK.
> | The only hope for this is if you bought at same time from same
> | supplier
> |
> | "Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> | news:c6g47v$clh$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> || DL <> wrote:
> ||| BT? - your ISP is BT
> ||
> || Well yes, my ISP is BT but I don't think they'd want to get involved
> || with a hardware or software problem on a machine which hasn't got as
> || far as being 'connected' yet. It can be bad enough (and very
> || time-consuming) trying to get BT to help when there's a connection
> || problem, or their DNS servers are down. Their expensive-to-call
> || helpdesk staff just follow a 'script' of inappropriate questions and
> || misleading suggestions (like insisting that I should re-install all
> || my software and buy a new router when they have a DNS problem !). I
> || can imagine they'd probably have me going out buying a new monitor,
> || or removing the HSF to see if the XP2400 gets warm enough ! Their
> || support is worse than useless - the only reason I stick with them is
> || because it would be too much hassle if I lost this e-mail address as
> || I use it to get work.
> || I've already tried swapping out the m/board for another identical
> || one - and the problem was identical too. I could have a shot at
> || trying to return the CPU, but I'd need to show that it is faulty
> || first. As it will merrily run Windows Me (or several other op
> || systems I've tried) with no problem then that is going to be
> || difficult. I could counter that with saying that a Duon 650 does run
> || everything fine.
> || The one variable I haven't tried in this 'equation' yet is a
> || completely different m/board. It might just be that the combination
> || of GA-7VRXP, XP2400 and Windows 2000 are incompatible. At the
> || moment, I can swap the XP2400 for a Duron 650, or swap Windows 2000
> || for Windows Me and get a result. What I haven't tried is some
> || different m/board. The main barrier with this is that a new m/board
> || is just as inaffordable as a new CPU.
> || I think my PC is bad for my mental health !
> || Kevin.
> ||
> ||| I spoke with them because I was able to identify the initial problem
> ||| as been with their hardware.
> ||| The problem is that you have at least three pieces of kit, any of
> ||| which could be the problem, though its more likely to be hardware
> ||| than software. If you recently purchased mobo or cpu are you able to
> ||| exchange ?
> |||
> ||| "Kevin Lawton" <kepla@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> ||| news:c6f48p$irc$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> |||| DL <> wrote:
> ||||| Nothing special as far as I'm aware, I only had the problem with
> ||||| one AMD cpu, never cured it and I did swap it for another
> ||||| identical cpu, gave up, upgraded mobo and cpu.
> ||||| There have been reports of the occasional problems with various
> ||||| hardware and AMD, though this was some years ago, where seemingly
> ||||| with identical hardware one would have a conflict and the other
> ||||| wouldnt.
> ||||| I got into some deep conversations with BT and AMD over this
> ||||| issue.
> ||||
> |||| BT ? - who are they ?
> |||| I would really like for MS to be involved. After all, it is Windows
> |||| 2000 which is going wrong and failing to provide an error message.
> |||| I'll certainly have words with AMD support, who I expect will refer
> |||| me to Gigabyte, who in turn will either ignore me or refer me
> |||| elsewhere.
> |||| The question is: if I were to go out and buy another GA-7VRXP
> |||| m/board, AMD XP2400 processor, and a fresh shrink-wrapped copy of
> |||| Windows 2000 would it all work ?
> |||| Kevin.
> ||||
> ||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> ||||| news:c6eqjg$43g$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> |||||| DL <> wrote:
> ||||||| I've changed mobo's and cpu's on many Win2K setups the only one
> ||||||| I had trouble with was a1.3Duron, and that was an heat problem,
> ||||||| even using OTT coolers - never got to the bottom of it!!
> |||||||
> ||||||| When I mentioned entering the bios I meant was the new cpu being
> ||||||| correctly identified
> ||||||
> |||||| Yes - the BIOS identifies both the Duron 650 and the XP2400
> |||||| correctly. In the Windows Me installation which works with either
> |||||| processor (I swap HDs) I have a few utilities which can run
> |||||| system identification and
> ||||| benchmarking -
> |||||| everything shows up correctly with all of them. What I don't have
> |||||| is any software to fully test out a CPU. I can identify it, burn
> |||||| it in and benchmark it - but not fully test it, the whole works -
> |||||| all instructions, caches, pipelines, everything. I think that
> |||||| this would have to be my next step short of actually buying
> |||||| another XP2400 (ouch - my poor wallet). I guess there isn't a
> |||||| special way you have
> |||||| to install Windows 2000 on an XP processor because of the SSE
> |||||| instructions, is there ?
> |||||| TIA
> |||||| Kevin.
> ||||||
> ||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> ||||||| news:c6deah$s2r$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> |||||||| DL <> wrote:
> ||||||||| Sorry missed the line about mobo;
> |||||||| No worries, mate, it was early on in the thread. ;-)
> ||||||||| With mobo switches on auto, Boots/Runs OK with Duran. - yes?
> |||||||| Oh yes, yes, yes. I can even play around with the FSB and
> |||||||| multiplier switches and overclock the Duron 650 up to 897 MHz
> |||||||| and it still
> |||||||| works fine. Solid processor, that Duron.
> ||||||||| Matrox drivers installed for win2k? - yes?
> |||||||| Well, no they weren't. Matrox cards do the standard VESA modes
> |||||||| properly so they are fine with Windows 'generic VGA card'
> |||||||| drivers.
> |||||||| I have now tried installing the latest Matrox drivers and guess
> |||||||| what ? - no change.
> ||||||||| Change the cpu, restart, enter the bios and check settings, eg
> ||||||||| cpu.
> |||||||| I've tried this, with the settings on auto and with the
> |||||||| settings forcing the correct FSB and multiplier. I've even
> |||||||| tried underclocking the XP2400 a bit. Still no change - works
> |||||||| fine in Windows Me and hangs at Windows 2000 startup.
> ||||||||| If OK reboot from win2k installation disk ( you may have to
> ||||||||| enable boot from cd in bios) and repair.
> |||||||| Tried this and of course the repair installation hangs after
> |||||||| the 'Starting Windows' progress bar again. Had to swap back to
> |||||||| the Duron 650 to get that to finish again.
> ||||||||| Other than that you appear to have covered everything.
> |||||||| That's what I thought, but there is still a problem. The way
> |||||||| things are going I might be better off using this PC as
> |||||||| landfill and 'cover everything' with concrete !
> ||||||||| Good luck
> |||||||| I think I need more than luck - I need a miracle. At least, I
> |||||||| could do with some decent diagnostics out of Windows 2000. I
> |||||||| don't really want to have to spend the rest of my life trying
> |||||||| to edit video on a Duron 650.
> |||||||| Thanks for the help.
> |||||||| Kevin.
> ||||||||
> ||||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> ||||||||| news:c61h6v$r0f$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> |||||||||| Sorry- I though that was known. The motherboard is a Gigabyte
> |||||||||| GA-7VRXP (I have tried two samples) Rev1.1, as staed in my
> |||||||||| original post which is still at the foot of this thread.
> |||||||||| Originally I left the m/board switches for FSB and multiplier
> |||||||||| in the 'auto' setting, as was the memory bus clock. Since
> |||||||||| then I've tried slowing things down from 133 MHz to 100 MHz
> |||||||||| on the FSB (effectively 266 -> 200 due to DDR), and from 166
> |||||||||| MHz to 133 MHz then 100 MHz on the memory bus clock (DDR =
> |||||||||| 333 -> 266 -> 200). Same result every time - problem
> |||||||||| persists.
> |||||||||| M/board BIOS is 'F12', which is the latest on the Gigabyte
> |||||||||| web site. Not too sure what else I can adjust without doing
> |||||||||| damage. Kevin.
> ||||||||||
> |||||||||| DL <> wrote:
> ||||||||||| If I understand correctly;
> ||||||||||| Using Duran, win2k installed and booted correctly
> ||||||||||| With XP2400 it wouldnt boot ( Win98 is I believe slightly
> ||||||||||| more hardware 'fault' tolerant)
> ||||||||||| If this is the case might suggest a mobo setting, with this
> ||||||||||| cpu, or possibly bios update required.
> ||||||||||| What is the mobo?
> |||||||||||
> ||||||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> ||||||||||| news:c60fh8$dc7$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> |||||||||||| I'm on about as mininal as the system can go anyway, the
> |||||||||||| only card being the Matrix G400 graphics card.
> |||||||||||| I've tried swapping every system component individually
> |||||||||||| for a replacement - except for the processor (expensive
> |||||||||||| !). The
> |||||||||||| same result every time - the system hangs when the
> |||||||||||| 'Starting Windows' progress bar completes. With a fresh
> |||||||||||| install, this
> |||||||||||| is as far as I can get - the install
> |||||||||||| hasn't completed sufficiently to give me any 'recovery'
> |||||||||||| options.
> |||||||||||| I did try swapping out the XP2400 processor for an old
> |||||||||||| Duron 650 - and it worked fine ! Problem with that is
> |||||||||||| that the Duron 650 doesn't give enough performance for the
> |||||||||||| video editing I'm
> |||||||||||| planning to do.
> |||||||||||| After the system was fully working with the Duron 650 I
> |||||||||||| went back to the XP2400 and the problem re-emerged just
> |||||||||||| the same.
> |||||||||||| I also tried installing Windows Me and that runs on the
> |||||||||||| XP2400 fine, so I'm not inclined to blame the processor.
> |||||||||||| Could there be something which Windows 2000 is doing with
> |||||||||||| the XP2400 which doesn't happen with a different processor
> |||||||||||| or op system ?
> |||||||||||| I'm really confused with this - any help gratefully
> |||||||||||| appreciated. Kevin.
> ||||||||||||
> |||||||||||| DL <> wrote:
> ||||||||||||| Tried installing to min sys, Monitor, KeyB, mouse,cd - no
> ||||||||||||| cards, extra hardware
> ||||||||||||| and or with a single DDR?
> |||||||||||||
> ||||||||||||| "Kevin Lawton" <> wrote in message
> ||||||||||||| news:15bf201c41b60$b9c8a000$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> |||||||||||||| I've just installed Windows 2000 onto a new machine and
> |||||||||||||| it hangs indefinitely when the 'Starting Windows'
> |||||||||||||| progress bar completes. No error messages or re-boots -
> |||||||||||||| it just hangs. Machine spec:
> |||||||||||||| AMD XP2400 processor,
> |||||||||||||| Gigabyte GA-7VRXP m/board,
> |||||||||||||| 2 x 256 Mb DDR PC2700 RAM,
> |||||||||||||| 330w PSU,
> |||||||||||||| Seagate 60 Gb HDD.
> |||||||||||||| The m/board, memory and HDD have been swapped-out with no
> |||||||||||||| change in result. The system can boot into DOS, from
> |||||||||||||| either floppy or HD fine.
> |||||||||||||| I think I might have seen similar problems reported
> |||||||||||||| before, but don't recall seeing any solution.
> |||||||||||||| Please help.
> |||||||||||||| Regards,
> |||||||||||||| Kevin.
>
>
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