Re: Advise on Win2k installation....
From: Dan Seur (click_at_casta.net)
Date: 12/28/04
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:10:56 -0500
I don't understand your first sentence.
Swapfile contents are not re-used by a newly booted system,
so there is no problem having two W2k systems use the same
disk space - at least as long as only one of those systems
is booted at a time.
For most users, it doesn't matter much where the swap file
is located; only in cases where the fastest performance
possible is required does this make a difference. The
system performance improvement, in most cases, achieved by
placement determined by hard drive access optimization with
such factors as bus contention and access arm travel on the
hard drive, is very small. Relatively speaking. And as those
factors change as software is installed or old software and
data is relocated and user habits change, it's a matter of
constant re-tuning. Of much greater importance with swap files
is size.
In your case, for example, if that dedicated swapfile
partition is actually on a very active drive, you might be
slowing your system down by requiring the disk head to be
moved a great distance many times a second. It's a matter
of the very great speed of execution versus the [relatively]
extremely slow mechanical movement of hard drive heads and
rotating surfaces. And none of this is simple to accommodate
optimally. A solid base in hardware, software, and statistical
math is required. The earlier notes in this thread gave you
simple approximations.
Alex wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Can someone advise me on that? I am still wondering what are the two
> answers accordingly.
>
> And I'd to know if I want to dedicate a partition for the swap file
> ONLY, can this partition be used, probably I mean common, if I want ot
> set up a dual Windows system?
>
> Thanks again,
> Alex
>
> "Alex" <alexc_hh@yahoo.com <mailto:alexc_hh@yahoo.com>> wrote in message
> news:upVQiPe5EHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
> Oh, right I see.
>
> The term "drive" I was using mean "partition". Honestly I am very
> happy with my 120GB disks and really don't think I need another
> physical disk. ^.<
>
> Please advise.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> "Dan Seur" <click@casta.net <mailto:click@casta.net>> wrote in
> message news:uAWkIas4EHA.1452@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> You had better be very precise about what you mean by "drive" in
> this
> conversation.
>
> If you mean "hard drive" you get one answer; if you mean
> "partition" (or
> "volume") you may get another.
>
> Look these terms up. Please don't ask here for definitions.
>
> Alex wrote:
>
> > Thanks to both Dan and CT.
> >
> > Just a few minor things to clarified,
> >
> > 1. Following what Dan is doing, do I need to reinstall the
> apps in drive
> > D after I've restore my W2k in the drive C?
> >
> > 2. As what's advised by CT, I suppose there are a number of
> link library
> > files installed when installing windows apps, are all these
> files
> > updated at the same time when you move the program files
> directory and
> > update the registry?
> >
> > Really thanks a lot,
> > Alex
> >
> > "Dan Seur" <click@casta.net <mailto:click@casta.net>
> <mailto:click@casta.net>> wrote in
> > message news:#96nxXW4EHA.2788@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > CT - Holy wow! never thought of that. What a great idea!
> >
> > Colon Terminus wrote:
> >
> > > If I may add to the excellent advice of Dan:
> > >
> > > Immediately after you've got the O/S and all its
> drivers loaded,
> > copy the
> > > Program Files directory to the drive where you want
> Programs to
> > live. In
> > > other words, if the O/S is on D: and you want your
> applications
> > to reside on
> > > F: then you'd copy D:\Program Files to the root of F:.
> Then run
> > regedit and
> > > search for "programfilesdir" and modify the data so
> that it points to
> > > "F:\Program Files".
> > >
> > > All further software installs will go to F:\Program
> Files by
> > default, saving
> > > you a lot of intervention in trying to force software
> to install
> > where YOU
> > > want it to go instead of where IT wants to go.
> > >
> > > "Dan Seur" <click@casta.net <mailto:click@casta.net>
> <mailto:click@casta.net>> wrote in
> > message
> > > news:##f8xnR4EHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > >
> > >>Alex -
> > >>
> > >>1. Make the pagefile (for starters) 1.5GB; gurus generally
> > recommend a
> > >>1.5xRAM ratio. Make the MIN the same as the MAX. Place the
> > pagefile on a
> > >>hard drive other than that containing the system if
> possible, and
> > on a
> > >>different controller if possible. Later, you can
> experiment with
> > >>different sizes and placements if you wish. The
> installation process
> > >>will probably place the pagefile on C: - move it when
> the OS is
> > running
> > >>after the install.
> > >>
> > >>2. I'm a believer generally in placing the OS, the
> apps, and the
> > data in
> > >>partitions devoted to each. With W2k-class systems,
> however, (which
> > >>rarely need to be reinstalled, and where clean
> reinstalls are the
> > best
> > >>way of recovering from catastrophe although that
> involves also
> > >>reinstalling most apps) and with a 10GB OS partition
> and a number of
> > >>large hard drives with many large partitions, I've
> elected to install
> > >>apps on C: and have yet to experience any problems
> with that. I still
> > >>keep data on other drives and partitions, and I also
> keep a
> > variety of
> > >>app CD images on hard drives, which makes
> reinstallation a breeze.
> > >>
> > >>As far as cloning for recovery goes, it works,
> although you may
> > want to
> > >>keep the cloned backup version in sync with the active
> one. If that's
> > >>not so crucial, you can clone the OS to a spare hard
> drive and
> > keep it
> > >>in a file drawer (or in the machine but not connected,
> or in a
> > removable
> > >>cassette mount to make using it a triviality.)
> > >>
> > >>Others may have different and better ideas. Some of
> this advice is
> > >>almost a matter of theology - endlessly argued by the
> sages.
> > >>
> > >>Alex wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Hi all,
> > >>>
> > >>>I am going to reformat my windows 2000 box and would
> like to
> > have some
> > >>>advise about te followings:
> > >>>
> > >>>1. I currently have 1GB RAM, how's the size of the
> page file
> > should I
> > >>>configure if I want to manually set it up? And of
> course, what's the
> > >>>relation?
> > >>>
> > >>>2. I'll try to install most of the programs in
> another drive
> > instead of
> > >>>the default C:\Program Files\ so that when I've
> cloned my C
> > drive, the
> > >>>default for windows, I can always restore my windows
> without messing
> > >>>around with the other programs. Am I right? Please
> advise.
> > >>>
> > >>>Thanks a lot,
> > >>>Alex
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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