Re: to WINS or not to WINS
From: John Koswalski (john.koswalski_at_perfectitsolutions.nl)
Date: 03/13/04
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:36:02 +0100
Just to, make sure I understand correctly: If on a subnet the clients their
browser service can contact the Domain master browser the browser service
will not use broadcasts?
Mainly the reason why I se WINS evrywhere is for the browsing in network
neighbourhood and the software that uses netbios. They tell me to setup
WINS to prevent the browsing but If I understand you correctly in a 1 or
subnet office with acouple of 100 hosts if the can talk to the (domain)
master browser they won't use braodcast right? So we could just get rid of
WINS?
"Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
news:ushJ#JKCEHA.1588@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> The basic problem is that the lists you see in NN are built by
> broadcasts. Routers and WAN links block these, so they don't work for
dialup
> RAS or VPN clients.
>
> It isn't just a matter of installing WINS. WINS will let you find LAN
> machines by name rather than using IP addresses, but you should be able to
> do that already through DNS. To get NN populated without broadcasts
requires
> access to the browse masters built by the browser service.
>
> WINS is required to enable browsing a segmented network. It gives the
> browser service a means to contact browsers across routers and WAN links.
It
> lets you see a network-wide browse list in a segmented network. The
browser
> service builds the lists, WINS provides the links. See KB 150800 .
>
> The situation is different for a dialup client. If it is on a local
LAN,
> it already has a local browse list which doesn't merge with the remote one
> just because you connect to it. If it is a standalone machine dialling in,
> it doesn't add itself to the browse list (no broadcasts) and it usually
> doesn't see the LAN browse list either. The best you can hope for is that
it
> will be able to see the LAN browse list. This will only happen if it uses
> the right domain name and can find the domain master browser.
>
> If the client has the correct domain name, it will try to get the
browse
> list by sending a name server request for the Netbios special name
> <domainname 1B> . This is where WINS comes in. WINS can resolve this
name
> to the domain master browser's IP address, and the client will get the
> domain browse list.
>
> So the brief answer is that it won't work without WINS, but just
setting
> up WINS won't mean that it automatically works.
>
> Bill Grant
> MVP - Networking
>
> "Jaz" <harbell@beerburp.com> wrote in message
> news:c2t2hi$p0q@dispatch.concentric.net...
> >
> >
> > Should I run WINS alongside AD for the sake of surfing Net Neighborhood
> > through the client VPN connections?
> >
> > After much googling and reading here I haven't found a difinitve guide
> > to our MS-centric environment.
> >
> > I just joined this group, who's servers were already setup and who are
> > using MS VPN to get onto their Active Directy domain from home. My
> > first weekend I needed to login thru the VPN (oh joy) and found I could
> > surf the whole network very smoothly.
> >
> > The second time I could not, due to my having shutdown while in transit.
> > The first time I hibernated so host cache was nicely populated, but not
> > the second time, though I could still get to comapany servers/hosts by
> > their IP addresses.
> >
> > The question is therefore: To WINS or not to WINS; and if WINS, then to
> > use WINS client or to point to WINS server via lmhosts; if Not WINS then
> > to use lmhosts or hosts... those are the questions.
> >
> > If I use a simple lmhosts (or hosts) with only the names of the main
> > servers, then the riff-raff (those users who map each others shared
> > drives) will complain. What's more, I'll need to redistribute new
> > lmhosts files everytime I add a server or someone decides their disk
> > share is an important resource.
> >
> > If I use fancy stuff in lmhosts... well would somebody please point me
> > to nice guide (vs the typical MS we-invented-the-internet, wordy fluff).
> >
> > And what about WINS? Should I run a WINS server and setup the MS VPN
> > client TCP-IP properties to point to it? Will that cause brain damage
> > when the VPN isn't active and the laptop is not on the office LAN?
> >
> > PS, we're also using ISA server 2000 (I know, I know, I'm going to hell
> > for this), but if there's anything tied in to AD or VPN then I'm yet to
> > discover it.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> > Jaz
> >
>
>
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