Re: Startup panes
From: Anthony Yates (anthonyDINGyates_at_airDONGdesk.com)
Date: 11/12/04
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:32:12 -0000
I understand what you are saying, but I can't see how I would have time to
do this. It can't be a single component of the build, as everything we do
uses the same standard components (RIS, packages etc.) It could be a
_combination_ of components. e.g lets say it is related to the graphics
driver: then the problem might be related to the order of installation of
WinDVD, DirectX, reboots in between etc. But I would not have time to test
all the possible combinations.
What I would really like to know is: what is the Windows component that is
displaying the status messages; and what type of product might interfere
with the messages e.g we use Windows scripting and install scripten.exe on
all PC's. As I understand it, we should not need to do this now as the
components are included in IE6 SP1 and/or SP4, but we get an error running
wsf scripts unless we install Windows scripting, and I get the impression
that the components of scripting are not fully sorted in W2K. We do not have
to install Scripting on XP, and (I think) we don't get the error. Maybe the
startup panes are in some way related to scripting? It can't be a
straightforward error as we don't get it on all machines, but again it could
be related to the order of installation, e.g scipting before IE6 SP1 or
after.
Anthony
"Mark Renoden [MSFT]" <markreno@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:emtA7HDyEHA.3844@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi Anthony
>
> If it were as common an issue across all Microsoft installations as it is
in
> your environment, it would have been reported to Microsoft and there'd be
> more info in general. My suggestion would be to build a clean client off
> installation media and confirm you have no problem. Once this has
happened,
> start introducing aspects of your environment to this client ... policy,
> software etc and see what happens. This sounds more like a build problem
> than anything else.
>
> Kind regards
> --
> Mark Renoden [MSFT]
> Windows Platform Support Team
> Email: markreno@online.microsoft.com
>
> Please note you'll need to strip ".online" from my email address to email
> me; I'll post a response back to the group.
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
>
> "Anthony Yates" <anthonyDINGyates@airDONGdesk.com> wrote in message
> news:ehrzdMByEHA.2040@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >I am sure it is not Policy. All the PCs are in the same OU. No policy is
> > set, and the effective policy on each machine is Not Configured for the
> > policies relating to this.
> >
> > All our machines are installed by RIS, and nearly all applications are
> > installed by Group Policy. All the machines show the messages when they
> > are
> > being built, but at some point the messages stop. A wide range of
machines
> > are fine: they just have nothing in common. It can't be the software, as
> > its
> > the same software on machines that work as on the ones that don't.
> >
> > It just seems to be a random bug.
> > Anthony
> >
> >
> > "Mark Renoden [MSFT]" <markreno@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23zoboAqxEHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> Hi Anthony
> >>
> >> At that point in time, explorer and internet explorer are not running.
> >> My
> >> suggestion would be to troubleshoot this via a process of elimination.
> >> Start by moving the computer object to a new OU with no group policy
> > linked
> >> to it and block policy inheritance. Reboot a couple of times and see
> >> what
> >> happens. If the issue is still present, it probably isn't policy
(unless
> >> you have a GPO at the domain level set with no override).
> >>
> >> At this point, I'd rebuild one client off standard installation media
and
> >> see whether it experiences the issue. If not, start installing
> >> components
> >> that are included in your standard setup and see if you can locate the
> >> issue. Given that this is across more than one operating system, look
> >> for
> >> common components or changes in your configuration.
> >>
> >> You might use gpresult /z (Windows XP) or gpresult /v (Windows 2000) to
> > look
> >> for the specific policy setting if you determine that the issue is
policy
> >> based.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> --
> >> Mark Renoden [MSFT]
> >> Windows Platform Support Team
> >> Email: markreno@online.microsoft.com
> >>
> >> Please note you'll need to strip ".online" from my email address to
email
> >> me; I'll post a response back to the group.
> >>
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Anthony Yates" <anthonyDINGyates@airDONGdesk.com> wrote in message
> >> news:OaaCM0nxEHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> >I agree, I don't think the verbose vs normal is the problem. The
verbose
> >> > shows you slightly more messages, but my computers are not seeing the
> > pane
> >> > at all.
> >> > I am thinking it might be something to do with:
> >> > - driver loading interfering with the display
> >> > - anti-virus scan on startup (no idea why it should)
> >> > - random bug in Explorer or IE
> >> >
> >> > Anthony
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "George Hester" <hesterloli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:%23s0YUvlxEHA.1524@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> >> I enabled what you saw in that article but I'll be honest with you
the
> >> >> result wasn't all that verbose after all. Furthermore the messages
> >> >> can
> >> > fly
> >> >> by so fast what good is it? The option to write a btlog file at
every
> >> > boot
> >> >> is also not very helpful. That just shows the drivers loaded or not
> >> >> as
> >> > the
> >> >> case may be it says nothing about these messages that we are talking
> >> > about.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> George Hester
> >> >> _________________________________
> >> >> "Anthony Yates" <anthonyDINGyates@airDONGdesk.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:uHKorqkxEHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > Thank you both for your suggestions.
> >> >> > 1) My policy for status messages is Not Configured. I can't see
why
> >> >> > some
> >> >> > machines would display them and others not. I have configured the
> >> >> > policy
> >> >> to
> >> >> > Disabled, but it makes no difference.
> >> >> > 2) The registry key for normal vs verbose messages (or disable
> >> >> > messages)
> >> >> is
> >> >> > not set. The text for verbose messages says "highly detailed". I
> > assume
> >> >> that
> >> >> > the normal meesage is less detailed, rather than nothing. I have
> > tried
> >> >> > setting it to verbose, but again it does not explain the
difference
> > in
> >> >> > behaviour. What do you have with your default machines? Do you get
> >> >> > these
> >> >> > status mesasges or not?
> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> > Anthony
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "George Hester" <hesterloli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:uH1BsEexEHA.1988@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316243/EN-US/
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --
> >> >> > > George Hester
> >> >> > > _________________________________
> >> >> > > "Anthony Yates" <anthonyDINGyates@airDONGdesk.com> wrote in
> >> >> > > message
> >> >> > > news:#3j52QcxEHA.3276@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > > > We have loads of PC's running with Active Directory. Most of
> >> >> > > > them
> >> >> > > > do
> >> >> not
> >> >> > > > display the notification pane in between the full screen
> > "Starting
> >> >> > > Up......"
> >> >> > > > and the "Press Ctrl-Alt-Del to begin" screen. This is the pane
> > that
> >> >> > says:
> >> >> > > > "Windows is starting up"
> >> >> > > > "Applying computer settings"
> >> >> > > > "Installing managed software"
> >> >> > > > "Running startup scripts"
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I can't find common thread to why most machines don't show it,
> > but
> >> >> some
> >> >> > > do.
> >> >> > > > They are all built with the same OS images and have the same
> >> > software
> >> >> > > > packages installed via Group Policy. Some are Win2000 SP4 and
> > some
> >> > XP
> >> >> > SP2
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Does anyone know where the setting is to display or not
display
> >> >> > > > this
> >> >> > pane?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Thanks,
> >> >> > > > Anthony
> >> >> > > > (remove the bells from my e-mail address)
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