Re: Installing a second operating system on a second drive

You write "The Windows boot loader in Windows 2000 will
do the same thing ie. allow Operating systems to reside on any
partition on any IDE drive." I'm afraid this is incorrect. The
Windows boot files (ntldr, ntdetect.com, boot.ini) must reside
on the active partition of the primary master. They cannot reside
on a slave drive, on a secondary disk or on a logical partition.

"George Hester" <hesterloli@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OYcnuVSaFHA.3488@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The Windows boot loader in Windows 2000 will do the same thing ie. allow
Operating systems to reside on any partition on any IDE drive. Yes the
password protection is not supported in the Windows boot loader. I grant
you that. All I know is that if you want Every OS installation to see
itself on C a boot loader alone is not sufficient. And I don't think that
is even possible if you want more than one install of an OS on the Master
IDE drive of the Primary IDE channel. Put another way I have not yet
figured out how to do it. I could do it with a 3rd party boot loader but
not using the Windows boot loader.

--
George Hester
_______________________________
"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Try googling for these keywords:
>
> xosl download
>
> The Windows boot loader is a very basic boot loader - it simply
> invokes the boot files of the chosen OS, all of which are usually
> visible.
>
> Other boot loaders can do much more, e.g. switch partitions on
> and off (i.e. hide them) as specified by the user. They can also
> provide password protection for an OS, which is great in a
> family environment where the kids keep wrecking their OS
> while mom's OS (used for university studies) remains intact
> and undisturbed.
>
> Lastly, some boot loaders allow you to do what most people
> say is impossible: To load an OS on a logical drive on a slave
> disk, complete with all boot files, and boot from it. This ability
> overcomes the restriction of having no more than four OSs in a PC.
>
>
> "George Hester" <hesterloli@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:u6kvwmFaFHA.2212@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Well I don't know anything about XOSL. Provide a link please? Either
will
> work I suppose. I just assummed if it was a boot loader then that is what
> it was. I didn't know it would also allow the second install of Windows
> 2000 to go on C. My understanding is that is not what a boot loader does
so
> I need to look at it.
>
> --
> George Hester
> _______________________________
> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:elTNYLAaFHA.2308@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > The point I tried to make to the OP was that he needs a
> > third-party boot loader such as XOSL to make his
> > OSs truly independent from each other. This involves
> > running each OS off its own drive C:. Contrary to
> > what you think, XOSL can do this. I have several
> > installations to prove it.
> >
> > Furthermore, XOSL does not interfere with the boot
> > sector of any OS. This means that you can easily boot
> > into any OS without the help of XOSL - provided that
> > you have some other tool to hide/unhide partitions and
> > to mark them active/inactive. XOSL will do this for with
> > a nice little menu.
> > ======================
> > "George Hester" <hesterloli@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:eviUiw$ZFHA.3620@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > It doesn't and I never said it did. He has a Windows 2000 installation
on
> > his Primary IDE Harddrive as Master. But he wants to install Windows
2000
> on
> > a harddrive that is NOT on the Primary IDE channel as Master. What I
> > explained is how to do that and give that new installation the drive
> letter
> > C. And furthermore where it is NOT necessary to use a 3rd party boot
> > loader. Remember a 3rd party boot loader alone will NOT provide the
> second
> > installation the oppurtunity to be on C.
> >
> > This is the configuration prior to installing the second OP sys.
> >
> > Master harddrive on Primary IDE Channel has two partitions:
> > Part 1 (7MB) (blank) (NOT Active) (bootable)
> > Part 2 (Windows 2000 original install) (NOT Active) (bootable)
> >
> > Slave harddrive on Primary IDE connection OR harddrive using Secondary
IDE
> > connection.
> > Part 1 (blank) (Active) (bootable)
> >
> > Getting this configuration is the crux of the matter. Now you are ready
> to
> > install Windows 2000 (2nd op sys).
> >
> > When you do that guess which partition will show as C in Windows 2000
> Setup?
> > Right the Part 1 on "Slave harddrive on Primary IDE connection OR
> harddrive
> > using Secondary IDE connection" because it is Active.
> >
> > Windows 2000 will balk at installing there. It tells you it needs a
> > partition on the Master harddrive on the Primary IDE Channel to write a
> > small set of Startup files to. You have that: Part 1 (7MB) (blank)
> > (bootable).
> >
> > All done. Proceed with the Installation. Now both Windows 2000 see
> > themselves on C; the native boot loader can be used to choose which op
sys
> > to boot; the second install takes care of everything for you by default.
> > The only thing left is to set boot.ini to wait some time (ie. 15 secs)
> > before doing the default. You will see boot.ini on that small
partition.
> >
> > --
> > George Hester
> > _______________________________
> > "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:uE80UJ8ZFHA.1412@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > I cannot see how your method can deliver two instances
> > > of Windows, each on its own partition, each visible on
> > > drive C: when active.
> > >
> > > If you can post a step-by-step procedure of how to achieve
> > > the above then will try it out for myself. On the other hand,
> > > if your method delivers OSs that are visible on two different
> > > drive letters then there is no need to continue.
> > >
> > > =======================
> > >
> > > "George Hester" <hesterloli@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:ec83R35ZFHA.3620@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Hii Pegasus. You do not have any Partitions active when you start the
> > > install of Windows 2000 except the one you are goiing to install
Windows
> > > 2000 on. If it is not on the Primary IDE Channel harddrive then so be
> it.
> > > Windows 2000 setup will see that partition as C wherever it is.
> > >
> > > You switch between the two OSs when the native Windows 2000 boot
loader
> > > comes up. That is because the small partiton will be active when the
> > > Windows 2000 Setup is done. Windows takes care of that.
> > >
> > > You do NOT hide the small boot partition. It is not necessary or
> > relevant.
> > > The ONLY active partition is the one you are going to put Windows 2000
> on
> > > before Windows 2000 setup. It's not active so not an issue.
> > >
> > > The boot loader (3rd party) I mention is one way to go I am not
arguing
> > with
> > > that. I just was pointing out a 3rd party boot loader is not
necessary.
> > > Windows 2000 has one and it works. It will also see his other install
> by
> > > default of the new Windows 2000 setup. Everything will be good to go
> > after
> > > the new install.
> > >
> > > The small boot partion can be 7MB which is FAT12. The startup files
> will
> > > occupy about 500Kb. The same is true for Windows 2003 but because of
> its
> > > bug it needs the small boot partion to be over 25MB. Go figure!!!
> > >
> > > --
> > > George Hester
> > > _______________________________
> > > "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:OSMIXDzZFHA.1152@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > What you propose is an interesting approach to multi-booting.
> > > > What you have not really explained is how you're going to
> > > > switch between the two OSs, each of which must be visible on
> > > > drive C:. You also did not say how you will hide the small
> > > > boot partition. I have the tools to do it but does the OP have
> > > > them?
> > > >
> > > > All of this is quite nicely and automatically handled by the
> > > > boot loader I suggested. I'm aware, of course, that everyone
> > > > has his preferences. When I'm given two equivalent choices
> > > > then I will always go for the one that follows the KISS
> > > > principle - that's why I mentioned XOSL.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "George Hester" <hesterloli@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > news:%23eE%23WZyZFHA.720@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Not really. The Windows 2000 Boot loader is good enough. If you
want
> > the
> > > > install on a drive that is not on the Primary IDE channel AND you
want
> > it
> > > to
> > > > be C then you need to make a small partition on the Primary Channel
> > > > Harddrive 15MB is good enough for Windows 2000 (55MB for Windows
2003
> is
> > > > enough - in point of fact this is a bug in Windows 2003 - but who
> > cares?)
> > > at
> > > > the beginning of the harddrive. Then when you are ready to install
> the
> > op
> > > > sys and before you do, you have to make that partion on the other
> drive
> > > the
> > > > Active Partition. That has to be the ONLY active partition. Then
> that
> > > > partition will show as C when you choose it in Winsdows 2000 Setup.
> > > Trouble
> > > > is Windows 2000 will not let you install there because it is not on
> the
> > > > Primary IDE channel. It will tell you it needs to write a small set
> of
> > > > startup files to the Primary IDE Channel harddrive. That is where
> your
> > > > small partition comes into play. You choose that. (This part is a
> > little
> > > > tricky flollowing the correct prompts) The install should also see
> your
> > Op
> > > > sys you have now. The Boot Loader native to Windows 2000 is
> sufficient
> > to
> > > > choose the particular op sys you want to boot.
> > > >
> > > > Now how are you going to do this partition manipulation? Let me
know
> if
> > > > that is what you want to do I'll tell you how to do it. It requires
a
> > > > trick. You make an Active Partition on the Primary IDE drive. Then
> you
> > > > make the partion on the other harddrive Active. Then you go back
and
> > > delete
> > > > the partion you made active on the Primary IDE harddrive. Software
> used
> > to
> > > > do this will complain. Point is NO PARTITION at all on the Primary
> IDE
> > > > harddrive can be Active. Ignore it.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > George Hester
> > > > _______________________________
> > > > "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > news:#Lo#ZikZFHA.2984@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >
> > > > > "Testpilot Mike" <Testpilot Mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
in
> > > > message
> > > > > news:D972E905-7353-4FF3-8C30-83B9A3C65E41@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > I have three harddrives on my computer. One of the three has an
> > > > operating
> > > > > > system, win2K pro. How can I install win2K Pro on a second
> > harddrive.
> > > > All
> > > > > the
> > > > > > drives are formatted.
> > > > > > Thank You, Mike R.
> > > > >
> > > > > Simple:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Boot the machine with your Win2000 CD.
> > > > > - Select the destination for the second Win2000 when prompted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that the second copy of Win2000 will have a system drive
> > > > > letter of D: or E:. This means that it must always run under that
> > > > > drive letter. It therefore relies on the presence of drive C:. If
> > > > > you want a truly modular multi-booting installation, with no
> > > > > dependencies, then you must use a third-party boot manager,
> > > > > e.g. XOSL (free!).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


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