Re: W2K SP4 Hosed our PC - Need Help !!!

From: George Hester (hesterloli_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 03/06/04 

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 07:56:25 -0500

Usually issues such as you describe are applications running in the background causing the sluggishness. There is an issue similar to this installing IE 6 and using Windows Explorer. That is the clearest evidence of how IE 6 changes the operating system Windows 2000. Without IE 6 installed Windows Explorer will open instantly with all the folders appearing at once if your Windows Explorer shortcut is C:\WINNT\explorer.scf. But if IE 6 is installed the folders will appear sequentially. This is one reason I don't install IE 6 if I don't have to. Since you want the Visual Studio .NET and the Help files that come along for the ride you have no choice.

Saying all that the return of IE to a previous version should "fix" this issue. But my experience with IE 6 other then the sluggishness of opening Windows Explorer has been more along the lines of Windows Exception Errors. These are caused by mshtml.dll that gets updated constantly with IE 6 updates. Almost all the IE 6 updates in 2003 were flawed. It seems Microsoft did not get them right until the end of the year. I have a fix for these exception errors but that is not your issue.

So I suspect it is IE 6 and Microsoft Outlook Express. Are you showing anything in the Exvent Viewer that may correspond? Sometimes with OEX 6 running in the background can cause this. 

-- 
George Hester
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"Vance Green" <vancegrn@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:evKGFhNAEHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> George, you seem to know what IE6 does
> to perfectly working 5.5 systems...
> 
> I had one of those here, and installed .NET Professional
> to do .NET CF programming for the Pocket PC.  .NET Prof. won't
> install without IE6.
> 
> So, I made a SS backup and let it.
> 
> I now get an intermittent GUI deadlock condition that
> defies repair, screen ops slow to a crawl.  When you drag
> windows around the desktop, for example, it's move-stop-
> move-stop, etc.  Rolling back to 5.5 did NOT clear the problem,
> IE 6 changed something (MFC, DLL et. al.) that has remained
> after the repair.
> 
> Is this something you have experienced with your IE 6
> escapades?
> 
> I really need to run .NET, and the IE6 misbehavior
> issue is keeping me from doing it...
> 
> What are the specific issues of which you are aware?
> Maybe I can do some more detective work here...
> 
> "George Hester" <hesterloli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e#SflXNAEHA.3712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> In the server yes I do not like it.  I agree.  I told you I did not agree
> with your assertion that Service Packs of Windows 2000 have come out to fix
> things that were broke from earlier service packs.  I think I was clear on
> that.
> 
> The issue in the server is a pretty esoteric thing.  I don't even recall
> what it was at the moment.  It was discussed when SP4 first came out and I
> have never seen it since.  But my recollection of it is that it sends an
> error to the Event Viewer.  What type of error the event ID I do not recall.
> All I know is it is NOT hose material.
> 
> But I have told you where SP4 has the most problems.  And in fact it is the
> root cause of most well-behaving machines misbehaving.  It is Microsoft
> Internet Explorer 6 installed.  Windows 2000 was not made for that browser.
> If you recall Windows NT 4 had similar problems when IE 5 came out.
> 
> Sure I know some people believe their system behaves Top Notch with IE 6
> installed.  Boy would they be amazed how well it would behave if IE 6 was
> NOT installed.
> 
> --
> George Hester
> __________________________________
> "Steve N." <NoOne@nunya.biz> wrote in message
> news:pQy0c.13386$yZ1.12021@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> >
> > George Hester wrote:
> >
> > > I don't agree.  SP3 fixed issues that were not fixed in SP2 which
> > > fixed issues that were not fixed in SP1 which fixed issues that came
> > > with Windows 2000.
> > >
> > > Now SP4.  I'm not going to get into "It's all the service pack's
> > > fault" because in Windows 2000 Professional I have no issues.  In the
> > > Server well that's a different matter.  And yes there is an issue
> > > with SP4 in the server.  The issue is compounded by having Internet
> > > Explorer 6 installed.
> > >
> > > But the issue is really slight and just results in an Error being
> > > written to the Event Viewer and in fact another issue where the Event
> > > Viewer stops functionaing.  Easily fixed.  Not the former but I know
> > > of no earlier Service Packs that came out to "fix" an earlier one.
> > >
> >
> > This is not the case im my experience with Win2K Pro (not Server) and
> > SP4, as evidenced in my posts in this thread. If you care to address
> > some of the issues I have had (and others have had) in this by all means
> > please do. And by all means please elaborate on exactly WHAT you do not
> > agree with that I've written.
> >
> > It seems to me that you wrote:
> >
> > "SP3 fixed issues that were not fixed in SP2 which fixed issues that
> > were not fixed in SP1 which fixed issues that came with Windows 2000."
> >
> > Which is in part in agreement with some of what I wrote, except that I
> > added that in MY experience (and obviously in that of others) it is
> > often the case that there are things "fixed" and other things "broken"
> > with service packs (and not just M$'s SPs either).
> >
> > All I am saying is that I have seen very many Win2K Pro PCs hosed by SP4
> > that were otherwise working just fine. I gave my experiencial evidence
> > and repeatable evidence, which I have done a fair job of suplying
> > symptoms for here. Care to comment on anything specific? It'd be nice if
> > someone could come up with exactly WHAT gets broken with SP4, WHY, and
> > under WHAT circumstances. Maybe M$ would be able to actually FIX it
> > then, instead of avoiding the issues. I've contributed my experiences. I
> > don't have any answers except that if SP4 causes problems then remove
> > it. It has proven beyond any doubt to me and many others to be
> > problematic. If you haven't had the problems, then good for you. Me and
> > a lot of others have.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> 
>

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