Re: VS2005 Team System & VSS good? I don't think so.
- From: "Alin Constantin [MSFT]" <cnila@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:14:28 -0800
> WITHOUT TFS, can VSS2005 integrated with VS2005?
Yes.
> What I like is theVS6 kind of integration: when I modify a source file in
> VisualStudio,
> VS found out it's readonly and controled by VSS, then pop up a dialog for
> me to check out from VSS.
The feature you're talking about is called checkout-on-edit. It is available
in VS7.x and VS2005, too. The difference is that in VS2005 VS will perform a
silent checkout (without prompting); if you want the noisy mode you can
change it in Tools/Options/SourceControl/Environment/OnEdit...
> When I modify a source code file, and want to save it or build it, VS just
> gives me options of "Save As", "Overwrite", "Cancel" ect, no way to
> check out the file from inside the VS.
It seems to me your project is not controlled (either you didn't add it to
source control, or you don't have any source control provider installed).
If you do have VSS installed, change Tools/Options/SourceControl/Plugin to
VSS, and use File/SourceControl/AddSolutionToSourceControl to enable scc
integration.
If the file is already part of a controlled project, it's possible the file
is outside the bound root and cannot be controlled.
> Without TFS, can VSS2005 create multiple "workspaces"?
No, VSS doesn't have this concept. The closest thing is branches - use Share
& Branch feature in VSS to branch files into a different folder.
> The ability to search "Hijacked" files (Overwirte without checkout)?
Not sure what this is about.
> The ability to search "new added" files, which are not added into source
> control.
No, this is not a feature in VSS.
> How good it manage the labels?
Your scenario is not possible with VSS. You can do Get recursive on label
only if the parent folder you select also has the A/B label, in which case
you'll get the folder content as it was when the label was applied.
--
Alin Constantin
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<orientphoebus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>I tried the new Visual Studio 2005 Team System + VSS2005, no Team
> Foundation Server. Some questions pop into my head:
>
> 1. WITHOUT TFS, can VSS2005 integrated with VS2005? What I like is the
> VS6 kind of integration: when I modify a source file in VisualStudio,
> VS found out it's readonly and controled by VSS, then pop up a dialog
> for me to check out from VSS. It seems like even with TFS, the
> integration between VSS and VS is not the same. From some webcasts, I
> can see, in order to use VSS in VS, we have to use it under the "Visual
> Source Safe" folder under "Team Project", check in & out from there not
> immediatly when we modifing the source code files.
> But anyways, after installed the VS2005TeamSystem and VSS2005, I could
> not find any place to checkout the file from VisualStudio, I have tried
> the "Tool" menu, pop-up menus from "Solution" window, no luck. When I
> modify a source code file, and want to save it or build it, VS just
> gives me options of "Save As", "Overwrite", "Cancel" ect, no way to
> check out the file from inside the VS.
>
> 2. Besides Class Diagram, do we have any other UML like diagrams
> integrated with code? like Sequence diagram, status charts. In my
> opinion, the purpose of these diagrams is providing a visualized view
> for the code, which VS2005 is doing one diagram for this purpose, but
> most importantly, the view is not just one Aspect. Class diagram is
> just "static" view, we need dynamic views like sequence diagram,
> activity diagram and status chart. The "static" view is just a start
> for understanding the code, then usaully developer shall immediatly
> drill down to the code. But with multiple dynamic views, developer can
> get idea of the system in a very good understanding without looking
> into the code. Take a look Borland Together:
> http://www.borland.com/us/products/together/index.html
> It provides similar "Hot Sync" with code and diagrams, which don't need
> explicitly "round-trips", and it provides not just one diagrams, and
> other diagrams integrated with code also, not like Rational Rose or
> other CASE tools, just for documentation.
>
> 3. Without TFS, can VSS2005 create multiple "workspaces"? I could not
> find it from the VSS GUI. Is "Sharing" function in VSS GUI doing the
> same thing? But it looks different, especially when trying to share
> with recursive folders.
>
> 4. Some other functions which I think it is very necessary for a source
> control system, I don't think current VSS has it. Please let me know if
> I was wrong.
> The ability to search "Hijacked" files (Overwirte without checkout)?
> The ability to search "new added" files, which are not added into
> source control. They may distribute in 100 folders of the 20 projects.
> VSS seems no way to find any new files not in source control but in
> working local directories.
> How good it manage the labels? If in one folder, I have 5 files labeled
> as "A", 3 files labeled as "B". In some cases, like analyzing the
> previouse build, I want only get the files with label "B". Or, the
> files, which labeled "B", previously labeled "A", I want get all the
> files versions, which labeled "A". Again, they are 100 files
> distribute in 100 folders of the 20 projects, I don't want to check out
> them one by one, just tell the root folder: Give me all the files with
> label "A", and the version must to "A" not to any later ones. It will
> give me every file I need with right version. no extra files.
>
.
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