Re: VS 2005 - Beta testers - were there any?

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Back in 2004, we ran into a major problem with .NET 1.1 and threading. The
standard support channel through Microsoft was useless. The Waltham office
of Microsoft was equally as useless.

Fortunately, we were able to get help directly by going through the "side
door" to the product manager for the .NET framework. He was great. He
brought in the manager of threading as well as the product testing team. In
short order, we had a patch that solved the problem. That patch was
included in the 1.1 SP1.

There are some really good people at Microsoft, if you can get to them.

Fast forward to VS 2005 and SQL Server 2005.

It is apparent that these products were prematurely released in order make
the 12/31/2005 drop dead date.

In SQL Server 2005, try assigning permissions for specific users to specific
tables. After about the fourth table, the user interface stops responding.
I'd be embarrassed to release work like that.

I disagree that Microsoft's path is to waste developer's time. There are a
lot of talented people trying to put out quality products. However, I would
say that Microsoft's management has become very arrogant.

From "U.S. Auto Industry Woes by Eric Peters (5/4/2006)" - "For roughly 70
years, the position of General Motors, Ford and Chrysler was
unassailable.... then Detroit grew complacent..." The last Big 3 auto I
purchased was a 1984 Plymouth [un]Reliant.

Microsoft may very well become irrelevant - particularly if they don't make
good on VS 2005 and SQL Server 2005. My bet, however, is they will
eventually get it before it is too late. If not, then I'll be just as happy
with superior products from away. After all, on the road of life there are
passengers and there are drivers...

"Michael Viking" <TheViking@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:egcGo7miGHA.3572@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I agree. Microsoft's path is to waste developers' time. This gives MS an
advantage against their competitors. The MS marketing machine is trying
to
make sure that all developers always upgrade, follow the latest technology
and learn it, meanwhile they stick to C++. It's easier to get ahead when
your competitors can't gain any traction. How much time did people waste
moving to 2003? And then how much time did it cost to move to 2005? What
will it cost to move to the next framework? How many frameworks will one
need to have on their machine?

C++ is the way to go.

-Michael Viking

"Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ef02sckiGHA.4512@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I'd like to believe you, but I not following their path (again) or
re-invent
the same wheel with no clear solid migration path. Believe it or not
most
developers don't have the luxury of dropping all their prior applications
so
they can create new ones that do what the old ones did. Why shouuld I
believe MS will do it right this time?? That's what they say
everytime --
bottom line VS 2005 is just a marketing gimmick to generate interim
revenue.
Anything I'd considered "serious" is coded in C++ and/or Java as that
seems
to be the only real stable source with compatible upgrade paths.

<SNIP>




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