Re: Totally confused, and more than a little disgusted...

Thanks for the info about safely being able to run the "LIVE" product in parallel with no danger.

So I have been doing that.

I have it running ONLY using several IMAP accounts - some on different email servers.

I can't get it to "see" older messages in INBOX on a main account that are earlier than 4/22 this year. That account has an INBOX that was restarted Jan 1 when the old inbox became the "2007" folder in the "Inbox by Year" folder, so there are PLENTY of emails this year in there. There ARE a few earlier than 4/22 showing, including a few from previous years, that were explicitly moved or copied back into INBOX from some other folder they had been lurking in.

The "LIVE" email client does see earlier emails in other folders. I just looked back in the old 2003 folder and see all the expected emails from 1/1 to 12/31.

FWIW, any other client, including "windows mail", and whether on the same LAN with the IMAP server or thousands of miles away, ALL see ALL the messages from 1/1/2008 to present in that INBOX, so the "LIVE" product has some weird myopia. OE on XP or even better W2K downloads all headers on all folders for the many hundreds of thousand of emails in amazingly short times when sitting on the same LAN as the server, or when I'm at a branch office where we have at least one gig-e between and more likely OC-48 or more.

With OE, I can manually compact client folders when and as needed. I can't find the buttons to do that now, and it seems it is automated in some perversly suboptimal way. I liked to compact the folders just before letting Diskeeper defrag the drive the email client is using. Can't seem to do that now.

And these Vista email clients are terribly slow, and, unless I can find a fix, this continuing "experiment" (or more aptly "DISASTER") can't be allowed to continue much longer. This is just an NFR Vista oem CD that came in a bundle at either an AMD or Intel touring dog and pony show where I was getting an amazing deal on the MB and CPU. I certainly didn't go out to buy Vista by itself.

Speaking of such shows, the upcoming (or just past for some folks in other parts of the country) Intel show as usual promises all sorts of GOODIES to lure attendees to come for breakfast and to stay til 4PM, but this time I didn't notice any "packages" that included MS Vista software! But perhaps I just missed them by mistake - perhaps a personal myopia automagically tuned to avoid continuing pain.

Or maybe MS is just *giving* a totally FIXED NFR Beta CD of something wonderfull to all the dealers that come (but I'm dreaming).

Any tips for making these MS downgrades from OE actually work properly, or for any other "no extra cost" class products that will do IMAP easily and well on Vista would be appreciated.

How could MS do this to customers it presumably wants to keep???

TIA

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23jZaTLLqIHA.1772@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
In the interest of brevity, I am only quoting the part I'm responding to.


"MuckySlush" <muckyslush@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:OLZsN%23KqIHA.1580@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

1) can I run OE on vista - HOW

No, can't be done. Unless you want to go to the bother of running
a virtual XP machine under Vista.

2) is there a single complete list of all patches/updates to windows mail that will at least make windows mail work?

There is only one patch, and it only fixes one issue, and that patch has
been incorporated in Vista's SP1. There are many unpatched problems.

3) if one tries the LIVE product is there a simple safe guaranteed to work exit back to windows mail that is short of a full backup of that client machine?

Yes. Simply install Windows Live Mail and try it out. If it turns out you
don't like it, merely uninstall, and Windows Mail is back as your default email.
I've been running both programs side-by-side for the past 14 months.

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Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)


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