Re: Email

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Hi, Mike.

Sorry I didn't recognize you. It's good to see you here.

As regards my sig line the [MSFT] tag is only for use by Microsoft employee - which I am no longer.

I hope that was voluntary on your part and not a result of the layoffs that we've heard so much about. (The good news is that now you can be eligible for the MVP Award. <g> )

(I think one terse response out of the thousands I have given over the years is possibly understandable)

I may have made a few like that myself over the years. ;^}

I've been trying to use the Win7 Forums, but I just can't. :>( Maybe they will get better, but I'll stick with newsgroups as long as I can.

Best of luck to you, Mike. See you around the newsgroups! ;<)

RC
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R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
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Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100

"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message news:u3u0B#a1JHA.5728@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:E3C345DE-B339-43EB-B4EF-C1CEB6F6BF37@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
HI, Mike..

Are you the real Mike Brannigan or an imposter? The real Mike is usually not so gruff and includes [MSFT] in his username.

Microsoft says they won't create Win7 newsgroups before Win7 goes RTM. But they never said that they WILL create Win7 groups even then. They have created the Forums - which are most certainly NOT the same as NNTP newsgroups. :>( It is obvious that Microsoft is trying to kill newsgroups and force us all to use Forums. Many MVPs - including me - are very disappointed in this attitude.

To Stu, the OP: These Vista NGs - and the Forums that "Mike" pointed to - are about the best we can do until MSFT decides to improve the situation - IF they ever do. I'm hoping - but I'm not holding my breath. :>(

Some say (as Dave did in this thread) that it is possible to run WinMail in Win7, but I haven't tried it - and won't, because I like WLMail much better than WinMail, even in Vista. And WLMail is free for the downloading:
http://download.live.com/wlmail

RC


RC,

Yes it is the real me. The reason for my terse response is that people seem more and more unable to take the simplest steps to help themselves, such as looking on the Microsoft web site or using a simple query in an Internet search engine.
To say "I have not been able to find a Win 7 forum yet" and then to post here just confirms my position that the poster made pretty much no attempt to locate as they even said a "forum".
Look at it this way if they just typed "Win 7 forum" into a search engine such as Google for example the first three results are for a third party forum and the official Microsoft forums.
Also any search of this newsgroup for Windows 7 you will see posts from may people including Carey etc that again inform posters here to go to the TechNet forums for support on the pre-release Windows 7 releases.
Yes I agree it was a snappy response but we have to keep telling people to try and help themselves first - it is like the old adage about "give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish and he can feed himself for life"- our responses should be more focused on helping people to help themselves and provide pointers to where they can discover the information they need so that they can become more skilled in solving there own problems.

As an aside Microsoft has been very clear in its messaging about the move from the included Windows Mail in Vista etc to the WLMail which again the OP could have discovered.

The Microsoft moves with the communities initiatives will almost certainly see the end of the use of NNTP newsgroups as the functionality of the forum, lends itself to number of "benefits" such as a perceived ease of use for the everyday user who is more comfortable with the web interfaces of forums vs. setting up newsreaders etc, also the ability to attach community flags and data(and gather and track this) to a post such as if it is a suggestion or a feature request, feedback and voting and so on. Ultimately newsgroups are some of the last vestiges of the old "Internet" some of us remember with FTP, Gopher and WAIS etc before the HTTP/HTML world we know and "love" today.

As regards my sig line the [MSFT] tag is only for use by Microsoft employee - which I am no longer.

(I think one terse response out of the thousands I have given over the years is possibly understandable)
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Mike Brannigan

"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:E3C345DE-B339-43EB-B4EF-C1CEB6F6BF37@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
HI, Mike..

Are you the real Mike Brannigan or an imposter? The real Mike is usually not so gruff and includes [MSFT] in his username.

Microsoft says they won't create Win7 newsgroups before Win7 goes RTM. But they never said that they WILL create Win7 groups even then. They have created the Forums - which are most certainly NOT the same as NNTP newsgroups. :>( It is obvious that Microsoft is trying to kill newsgroups and force us all to use Forums. Many MVPs - including me - are very disappointed in this attitude.

To Stu, the OP: These Vista NGs - and the Forums that "Mike" pointed to - are about the best we can do until MSFT decides to improve the situation - IF they ever do. I'm hoping - but I'm not holding my breath. :>(

Some say (as Dave did in this thread) that it is possible to run WinMail in Win7, but I haven't tried it - and won't, because I like WLMail much better than WinMail, even in Vista. And WLMail is free for the downloading:
http://download.live.com/wlmail

RC

"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message news:D0E62A30-3720-459B-860D-3F028EB8B728@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Stu Davis" <studavis2@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:O6EO5V00JHA.5684@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have not been able to find a Win 7 forum yet so will try here.
<snipping off topic question by someone too lazy to even go find the right place to post>


I guess you didn't not look too hard then.?!
Go post your Windows 7 questions here
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/category/w7itpro/

If you had even had the common sense to go to
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default.aspx
you would have found the another link right there on the right hand side.

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Mike

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