Re: Which Anti Virus Works Best With Vista

I added the last part for the benefit of the other readers, since you seem to have a good balanced head on your shoulders.

Yeah, I rarely bash as well, if ever. I know what it takes to make one of these programs work with all the situations they face, so I realize that every application or tool is going to have an issue now and then, and that patches will, not might, be required for long term survivability. I also believe that you never put full faith in a product if you are on a "trial" version, because you are not going to get all the support and patches that are guaranteed.

Cheers

ShadoShryke
(AKA James Walker)



"xfile" <coucou@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23AMiG3PAKHA.4432@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Second thought, LOL

"...I never recommended nor bashed any 3rd party applications..." should be,

I "rarely" recommended unless it was really necessary, and as far as I can remember, I don't bash any 3rd party utility or application.



"xfile" <coucou@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:uGjPonPAKHA.4376@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Two major CAD program providers have done this, mainly because the program has so many key files and registry entries that if a HDD block corruption, or other glitch, or patch issue, happens, you may not be able to use the uninstall.

Understood, and there are more possible causes for an uninstaller might not work well or totally remove all components and/or registry entries which is when a removal utility could be helpful.

As for the rest of your post, I have absolutely no questions for anyone's experience or preference with regard to a 3rd party product, and for the same reason, I never recommended nor bashed any 3rd party applications or utilities on the net. My reply was to point out that a removal utility is in fact to be helpful rather to be an indicator of a poor product.


"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:2CAD11EE-4906-4011-86FC-CE19B8ED5E68@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Two major CAD program providers have done this, mainly because the program has so many key files and registry entries that if a HDD block corruption, or other glitch, or patch issue, happens, you may not be able to use the uninstall.

Now, as for the one that Mr Urban is mentioning from 2002, yes, there was a line of code that was in an initial patch that caused an issue with 2002. Yes, he is right, and I personally experienced that. I also saw that within 2 weeks of this glitch showing up, they had the removal tool and a free download of the fixed insall version available.

I still have McAfee on two machines, one physical and one Virtual. I hated McAfee 2005 because the virus updates failed more than they succeeded. Unlike Symantec, McAfee did not issue an apology when their updates were weeks later than everyone else and their updates failed regularly. It took them 4 months to fix it, and it was even worse in mixed networks (Apple and Windows Machines). For that reason, two companies that I was contracting too asked for alternative and I suggested NAV, Symantec Corporate Security (same core as NAV but with a Client-Server format) and TrendMicro. One group chose NAV and the other took TrendMicro and both were happy with the results.

I just like people making truly informed decisions, no matter their choice. Just like if I sold them a car, I would tell them if the tires were worn or if the car had been tuned up in years. I did not make the product, I only test, sell and support them.

To me, that is fun.

ShadoShryke
(AKA James Walker)


"xfile" <coucou@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:umSX7yOAKHA.4336@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I find it amusing that Norton was the very FIRST company that had to supply a dedicated web download to remove their defective products!

I have no comment on Norton or other (AV) programs and utilities, but I don't see any relationship between a removal utility and a "defective" product.

I personally see it as a "thoughtful" tool so users can use it as a last resort which otherwise wouldn't be possible. A few application providers have also followed the same by providing a removal utility just in case something went terribly wrong (which is a case-by-case scenario), and it's far better than "format and re-install".


"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:eKK43PMAKHA.4496@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I ran Norton up until the 2002 versions (home products). After that there were just tooooo many problems on my computers, and on computers I repaired for others.

I find it amusing that Norton was the very FIRST company that had to supply a dedicated web download to remove their defective products!

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:u32pDgLAKHA.2604@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>"but anyone who has supported them for the past 2 decades is still >skeptical"

This is an obvious exaggeration, since that would mean from 1989 to today, and until 2000, all of the successful tech that I knew had Norton (Symantec) on the top of their list as the best.

It does suck because it disconnected my "trusted" program from the internet. If your coffee maker makes coffee but explodes if you use columbian beans while no other coffee maker does, it sucks as a product even if you personally never use columbian beans so you haven't blown it up yet.

But it did not "blow up", another obvious exaggeration, because it did not freeze up and lock up your computer, or fail use as a whole. Instead it gummed up on that specific program and only restricted that program.

It occurs to me that maybe it found another security risk with that program that McAfee did not catch. Or maybe, as with Cryptic Studios, the software producer had something in their script that conflicts with something that Trend settings protect. Or maybe that program needed an additional porting that you did not catch and that the software publisher did not supply to Trend Micro. This happens all the time.

In the current PC market, there is no way to get completely seamless operations with ever producers driver, scripts or program at the same time. You can get close if intercompany relations and communications are good, but not perfect.

Again, I just passed on facts, and then said what I prefer to use, and what I have used. Each of my posts have been mainly experience and facts. I am not making a plug or pledge for anyone, just offering information based on reproducable research and testing.

ShadoShyrke
(AKA James Walker)


"Eric" <someone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:u972Z7KAKHA.5092@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
If TrendMicro doesn't "focus on home", they should tell Best Buy to stop installing it on new PCs with Vista Home Premium.
It does suck because it disconnected my "trusted" program from the internet. If your coffee maker makes coffee but explodes if you use columbian beans while no other coffee maker does, it sucks as a product even if you personally never use columbian beans so you haven't blown it up yet.

Again I said "I fortunately haven't had to work with Norton products lately", so hopefully for their sake it doesn't suck anymore, but anyone who has supported them for the past 2 decades is still skeptical. The last time I heard of someone running Norton it was conflicting with another program. We got new PCs for work from IBM with Norton installed. We uninstalled it and installed McAfee.

"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:DF74D9A4-0915-45BC-B762-F5DBE4B615CF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Um,

You do understand that I am a techie. I make my living on supporting both home and corporate users and environments.

Something to note, TrendMicro focuses on business, not home. Norton and Symantec are the same, Norton is their home product and Symantec Securities is how they market their business products.

Most of the techies that I work with in the industry do not talk down Norton's. The people that talk down Norton's are mainly gamers and game companies. Yet, since the 2003 versions, I have not seen the issues that most of those companies and gamers complain about. In testing on 16 different machine configurations, WoW, Everquest2, Lineage2, Command and Conquer, Age of Empires 2 & 3, Two Worlds, and even Maple Story had no issues. Game that had issues: City of Heroes, who's publisher knew there was a script change needed but prefered to tell users to turn off their AV instead of fixing their script. It saved them programming cost.

TrendMicro does not suck, it just did not suit your needs and your specific setup.

ShadoShryke
(AKA James Walker)
15 years of Computer Support (home and business)
MSPP Registered, A+ Cert, MS Office Cert, BSIT: Information Systems Security



"Eric" <someone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:u0zzboKAKHA.5780@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"ShadoShryke" <greyhwk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:2C9CF229-976A-4623-8716-39E3CEB2E73D@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
There are a number of companies/organizations that review AV programs for overall efficiency, reliability, memory use, guarantees and cost.

You might find it interesting that Norton and TrendMicro have been in the top three for 4-5 years running now. Microsoft made it into the top 10 this past year with One Live Care this past year on two registers. McAfee has dropped to number 5 or lower on 4 different registers in the past two years.

TrendMicro sucks.
My new laptop from Best Buy came with TrendMicro Internet Security installed (with a free 6 month subscription, after that you pay for updates).
I tried to play a game on the internet and it let me play for a few minutes then disconnected me. I added the game program to it's "trusted programs" and it still disconnected me. I uninstalled it and installed McAfee (provided at no extra cost from my ISP) and haven't had any issues since.

I fortunately haven't had to mess with any Norton software lately but it's still the number one answer when you ask a techie "what AV program is most likely to conflict with other programs?" AV programs are useless if they're constantly asking the user what they should allow or if they're preventing a program you want to run from running properly.








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