Re: system restore DVD



"John Barnett MVP" <freelance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:OGi7JtSwJHA.956@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Not at the moment it doesn't Canuk57, and as Windows 7 is now feature complete I doubt that it will.

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"Canuck57" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:vwJGl.52202$%k2.39046@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"John Barnett MVP" <freelance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:%237%23VSaOwJHA.3832@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

You can't create system restore DVDs in either Vista or XP. You can 'image' your hard drive so that you can re-install everything simply by inserting a backup DVD but this requires third party software such as Acronis True Image. Vista Ultimate does have Complete PC Backup software but it isn't something I would trust.

I wonder if Win 7 will come with the ability to fully recover so this sore point will be addressed.


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<bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:4e3f3128-0765-49ee-a128-628648d0f456@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Is there any utility built into Vista or XP to allow one to create a
complete system restore DVD?

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It's right here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chadharris16/

Win 7 has had this feature at 4 locations in every build since December through right now. I don't expect them to remove it, and I'm trying to get confirmation from the teams involved and Mr. Sinofsky that they won't. I don't see them screwing up the way they did when they hid it and required a UAC tweak when they buried it where you haven't found it until now at System 32 as recdisc.exe.

We've had this discussion at length last week, although I don't think you or John were in on that particular thread. At the very least Vista SP1 has an application or utility (call it whatever your fave philosopher has shaped you to call it--MSFT calls it an application in the System 32 folder--and it will make a Startup Repair Disk. What I"d appreciate if you'd take a look and see for me because I no longer have any of my boxes booting Vista--they all keep getting builds of Windows 7 and I took my screenshots from Win 7, is if you go to Control Panel or Right Click Computer in Vista>Backup>do you see the option to create a Startup Repair Disk with the full panoply of Startup Repair menu options as I've shown on my flickr pics?

Why in fact, Microsoft pulled it off the All Programs menu where many of their current MVPs who are Desktop MVPs and Shell MVPs can't locate it and didn't know it was there until we are trying to educate them about it is a good question I plan to ask some key people since finding out the answer is more fun than the Amazing Race although not as lucrative and scenic. Also if Microsoft did choose to bury it in the System 32 folder and it doesn't take any Blue Badge unhide tweaks to use it, why they went for months without discovering it needed UAC/permission tweaks is with all respect due, a colossal screwup in the Beta and the testing by the team members involved in making it. See Below:

Yes you can create a system repair disk in Vista, but they hid the way in Vista SP1 and if you can find out from someone at Redmond why they pulled it off the All Programs menu at the last minute and hid it in the System 32 folder requiring one of two UAC/Security tab tweaks, I'd be interested in hearing. I definitely plan to reach out to some key people on the now Windows 7 teams who make it, and Mr. Sinofsky to find out why they did such a completely user unfriendly thing--they pulled the application which is really recdisc.exe in the System 32 folder in Vista SP1 after getting some feedback from some of us on the Vista Beta that they need to provide the Win RE/Startup Repair panoply of tools for easy access for the end user, almost all of whom do not receive a Vista DVD with the purchase of an OEM box. Lionell Manchaka blooged right here below that all Dell buyers would get one, but Dell has renigged and since Lionel is on Twitter @ Lionel at Dell http://twitter.com/Lionel@dell. Even Oprah can tweet so I expect I can, I plan to tweet ole Lionel who is VP of Digital Media at Dell and ask him exactly why his promise was not kept. Oprah's getting her fan base to tweet has probably diluted the value of Twitter now, but that's for another time and place. If you're in the UK I don't know if you see Oprah. She's Oprah the Tweeter now.

Lionel Manchaca's Broken Promise
http://direct2dell.org/one2one/archive/2006/10/17/3132.aspx

Ask Lionel Manchaca why he broke the promise above
http://twitter.com/LionelatDell

The Win RE team also posted ways to install it in Vista back in 2006 and 2007. See Below:

http://blogs.msdn.com/winre/archive/2007/01/12/how-to-install-winre-on-the-hard-disk.aspx

http://blogs.msdn.com/winre/archive/2006/12/12/creating-winre-using-waik.aspxIt's not in XP. It's in Vista SP1 ridiculously and non-intuitively locatedin System 32 pulled from the SP1 Beta where it was conveniently located onthe All Programs Menu and it's in every build of Windows 7 to this moment.I'll show you this below.Why in fact, Microsoft pulled it off the All Programs menu where many oftheir current MVPs who are Desktop MVPs and Shell MVPs can't locate it anddidn't know it was there until we are trying to educate them about it is agood question I plan to ask some key people since finding out the answer ismore fun than the Amazing Race although not as lucrative and scenic. Alsoif Microsoft did choose to bury it in the System 32 folder and it doesn'ttake any Blue Badge unhide tweaks to use it, why they went for monthswithout discovering it needed UAC/permission tweaks is with all respect due,a colossal screwup in the Beta and the testing by the team members involvedin making it. See Below:The Win RE team also posted ways to install it in Vista back in 2006 and2007. See Below:http://blogs.msdn.com/winre/archive/2007/01/12/how-to-install-winre-on-the-hard-disk.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/winre/archive/2006/12/12/creating-winre-using-waik.aspxAt the very least in Vista, I know that this application/utility does lurkin Vista SP1 and later System 32, but in Vista you have to go to System 32and then you have to tweak it from the security tab so that you haveownership. Why Microsoft chose to jerk this from the All Programs Menuwhere it lived in Beta interim builds of Vista SP1 and hide it in the System32 folder on RTM is a very good question--not to my philosophy (or BertrandRussell and Alfred North Whitehead's very user friendly. That is, I don'tsee red headed Lauren or the cute kids in the MSFT "I'm a PC--not kuellenough for a Mac or affluent enough) finding this in the System 32 folder.Since many useful tools or there, I always make it a point to go there andlook in each new build of the Win OS I get my hands on.I suspect MSFT decided to make this hard to find in Vista SP1 because theyfeared they would not sell enough retail Vista DVDs. I am trying to findout from assorted members of the storage team, Mr. Sinofsky, and some otherpeople at Redmond.They sure put it back in 4 locations in Windows 7 however, at least in thelatest builds and I screenshot it above:1) On the All Programs Menu2) At the Control Panel>Backup and Restore>Create a System Repair Disk3) Right click Computer on the Start Menu>Backup and Restore>Create a SystemRepair Disk4) In the C:\Windows\System 32 folder. Of course if you are multibooting,the drive letter may change accordingly but it is absolutely there I know inVista, just as I screenshot it below. I don't have my hands on a Vista boxthis moment, to look at Control Panel Backup, or Rt. click Computer andlook for it, so I'd appreciate it if you'd do that for me.At Vista in the System 32 folder you find recdisc.exe and tweak its securityeither of a couple ways--and here I wonder since MSFT did deposit it in thisnon-intuitive location for the eight year olds in their commercials why theydidn't at least alpha test it and realize that they were making it requiresecurity tab tweaks (I mean after all, they did have about 23 or so Vistabeta builds, so that would imply they could test the thing at least onceduring the Beta of Vista SP1. This makes the claim that obsessive testingand meticulous bug reporting and more testing is done a bit disingenuous atleast for this particular feature. People must have let them know about itas they craft Windows 7. I hope to make sure it stays in Windows 7 at alllocations. It no longer has a UAC tweak requirement. If you're using VistaSP1 the UAC tweak at System 32 recdisc.exe is:Right click Properties>security tab>edit>put a check in allboxes>close>reopen and you should be good to go.orRight click Properties>security tab>Advanced button>Ownertab>edit button>put a check in "replace subcontainers and objects">otherusers button>type user name you want to ave the perimission in the box orsimply "users">ok>apply>ok on the advanced security settings dialogue box.That's why I just wrote:It's right here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/chadharris16/Actually "it" absolutely does create a System Restore DVD ultimatelybecause it has the option besides backup to create a system repair dvd whichis in fact, a Startup Repair DVD and System Restore is one of the optionsthere if you have a restore point. If you have a dual boot or multiboot,and you boot to the other drive, you will lose restore points so you have tobe careful to go back and setup at least one in that case.But the wording is different in the left hand pane.1) What you do is click "Backup and Restore" or you can reach it at theControl Panel as well>in the left hand pane under Control Panel Home whichis going to be there from either location click the second listedoption>Create a System Repair Disk.2) I'm operating in Windows 7. In Vista SP1 RTM this option was supposed tobe on All Programs by clicking Maintenance and at the last second MFST(probably their marketing or business arm) had it jerked from the RTM on theAll Programs menu. I don't know if Vista RTM SP1 RTM option has this atBackup, but I do know that it has this application /utility present for surein the C:\Windows\System32 folder and after a UAC/Security tab tweak afterright clicking the app in the System32 folder>properties>security tab to getfull admin privileges it's usable in Vista SP1.3) If the OP doesn't want to take the 3 minutes to do the security tab tweakin Vista SP1, he can simply download the .iso from the link below and trythe System Restore option from Startup Repair's Advanced option list or hecan try the options I've listed below the link:Download Vista Repair Diskhttp://neosmart.net/blog/2008/windows-vista-recovery-disc-download/1) First try 3 options from Startup Repair. If you have a Vista DVD thenrestart with it in the drive>press any key to boot from it and run StartupRepair. From Startup Repair you have 3 good tools with an excellent chanceof fixing your system. If you don't have a Vista DVD from which to boot toStartup Repair, no problem, Download the .iso from the link below andburn it, and you'll have the Microsoft Vista Repair Disk with StartupRepair.Download Vista Repair Diskhttp://neosmart.net/blog/2008/windows-vista-recovery-disc-download/How to Use Startup Repair from the Vista DVD or the Repair Disk you make:http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial142.htmlhttp://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/5c59f8c1-b0d1-4f1a-af55-74f3922f3f351033.mspx2) If Startup Repair does not get your Vista back, then use the 3 bootreccommands from the command prompt available on the Statup Repair Menu:The menu I refer to is in this set of directions with a grey background.http://vistahomepremium.windowsreinstall.com/repairstartup/repairstartup.htmThose are:bootrec /fixmbrbootrec /fixbootbootrec /rebuild BCD3) If my second option doesn't work, then try System restore from theStartup Repair list.4) If by rare chance you have an actual Vista DVD, you can put it in, bootfrom it>choose the Upgrade Option>choose your current broken Vista Drive andtry to do a repair install with the Vista DVD.How To Perform a Repair Installation For Vistahttp://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/88236-repair-install-vista.html5) If the above 3 tools don't work, then use the 4 tools available byrestarting your pc and tapping F8 once per second to get to the WindowsAdvanced Options Menu.From this menu click on 3 Safe Mode links to use System Restore. Make sureyou try all 3 if one doesn't work, because just one of them may work.Tap F8 to Reach Windows Advanced Options Menu Pictured Below:http://media.photobucket.com/image/vista%20windows%20advanced%20options%20menu/indyank/techbliss/Vista-Advanced-Boot-Options.jpgSafe ModeSafe Mode with NetworkingSafe Mode with Command: At the prompt you would type the command to useforsystem restore at the safe mode cmd prompt is:%systemroot%\system32\restore\rstrui.exeIf these 3 tools don't work, you have one more yu can try which is LastKnown Good Configuration.Good luck,CH
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