Re: Windows Speech Recognition (WSR) - Any good?
- From: andy t <andyt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:14:12 -0800
Mark,
Huh! I come back from a few days away and I see all these postings. My oh
my! I see it has generated a huge amount of interest.
I see Marty Markoe has joined in the conversation. Now he is a man who
knows a thing or two about microphones and WSR. Plus I forgot to mention the
WSRToolkit that Marty mentions. (Ingenious little tool)
If you are reading this Marty, I would just like to say hi.
I already had a life, not enough time left to get another life.
That says it all doesn’t it?
I do not have the foggiest idea what you are talking about, as I have
*NEVER* claimed to have any medical training whatever.
Of course you do not have the foggiest idea, you have dementia remember?
(Oops sorry you can’t) you even admitted it remember? (Oops, once again I
forgot you forgot)
About losing my marbles, no argument there. A very large
percentage of people my age have dementia.
You said it!
(DNS & WSR & MD for short)
Gee, thanks for telling me that
Dunno, I am not much of a joiner as far as those moderated forums
are concerned, I am too ornery and cantankerous in my old age.
I have a very high opinion about Chuck Runquist's posts in the
KnowBrainer forums, if anything would induce me to join, it
would be that.
Arr... Go on Mark, be a sport and join! Then we all can keep our eyes on
you jumping right into those moderated forums (as if we’d want to).
For the time being, think I will just sit on the sidelines.
Procrastination is a funny thing; you get left behind if you just sit on the
sidelines.
(Look Up Graham Up in the Members Profiles)
I do not need to look in the members profiles, I KNOW who Graham is, you
obviously didn’t.
I bought my microphone from him, so I am unlikely to forget his name unlike
you.
Just Finished Playing With My New Toy "Earset" Microphone
Named "Theboom E" ($300) - Linus Likes Theboom.
Oops! I see you got his name wrong as well, it is actually “Lunis”, and you
check that out in the KnowBrainer forums.
...it is only a matter of time before WSR will squash
Nuance and DNS into non existence!
I for one wish that would happen, but as a realist I know
it will not occur. I have been following speech technology
since the early 1980s, and _nothing_ happens quickly
in this field of human endeavor.
I am a realist too and in time it will all come down to the cost, it always
does in the end especially now in this economic climate which yours and our
governments have plundered us into.
I have been reading some articles recently that not only institutions (like
the spinal wing of Stanmore hospital where I was a patient) but a vast amount
of institutions for the disabled and the teaching side amongst others and not
only in this country, but all over the planet are now becoming far more
interested in speech recognition because it is becoming more affordable from
companies like Microsoft who I am happy to say will put a rocket up the
backside of companies like Nuance who at the moment have delusions of
grandeur in thinking that they have the monopoly.
I would not like to bet your house on it Mark that this will inevitably
happen in the future. It is called evolution my friend and nothing stops in
this universe.
The only advantage as far as I can see at the moment that DNS has over WSR
is the fact that DNS can be converted into several different languages. I
might even be wrong on that fact, perhaps someone could correct me if I am
but rest assured, if I am right, it will be only a matter of time before that
happens as well, even your friend Grant said that.
No one said it would have to happen quickly, but it will happen and DNS will
be forced to drive down the cost to compete, either that or risk going out of
business.
I would agree with you that at this point in time DNS has the edge, but I
did state “at this point in time” which is why it is reflected in the vast
differences of cost between the two programmes and like I said, WSR is only
one program within a whole OS when you compare that to just one program such
as DNS, no contest I feel.
I see that Grant has recently posted to you. One thing I will say about
Grant, he has helped me enormously not just with speech recognition, but with
other programmes and facilities to do with computers generally and I commend
him on that.
I also noted that you live in North California and Grant lives in South
California.
This got me thinking and I thought you could both meet in the middle and
have a picnic and the topic of conversation could be DNS medical VS DNS 10
preferred!
At least it would get you out of the house Mark. Oops sorry, I forgot to
mention the lesser known one as well, MD is it? (Don’t you have a burger in
one of those?) .
I do not have the foggiest idea what you are talking about, as I have
*NEVER* claimed to have any medical training whatever.
Ah, no doubt you are referring to these examples of speech,
punctuation, that were dictated by me, and changed into
100% accurate text, with no correction
required, by DNS and MD.
Then why are you so interested in WSR and starting threads asking “WSR, any
good”? You are surely worried about something, falling sales in Nuance
Perhaps so you won’t be able to peddle your Medical version of Dragon?
BTW, your boasting of getting 100% with all the expensive equipment you have
is not quite true. Your DNS medical seems fine with the rarely used long
words but not so good when it comes to the smaller words.
If you cut and paste your transcript into a word document (preferably
Microsoft Office 2007) you will see spelling mistakes underlined with red
squiggly lines that a word document uses to tell you if a word is spelt
incorrectly and I am not talking about the slang words that have been used I
am talking about real words that you’re very expensive equipment has
produced.
Nevertheless, DNS and MD handled all 3 examples
consistantly
Did they now? Notice you, your equipment and DNS Medical have spelt the word
“consistently” wrong in your transcript above? My spelling of it is the
correct spelling. I know that U.S. and UK spellings differ in some areas but
I think you will find this spelling is uniform to both countries.
Try the links below.
Webster’s Dictionary – The name given to a common type of English language
dictionary in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster%27s_Dictionary Find it with Wikipedia.
The Online Plain Text English Dictionary –Internet
http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~ralph/OPTED/index.html
Look under C(1.6M) then find the word “consistently” (adverb: to be
consistent)
This is coherent with subsequent volumes of that dictionary right up to the
present day.
From Merriam Webster’s Online Dictionary
http://www.merriamwebster.com/dictionary/Consistently
I thought it was ironic that your DNS medical got that particular word wrong
as your claims of 100% accuracy are consistently wrong.
With all the money you have boasted about and spent on your speech equipment
and DNS programmes, I would have expected them to do the washing up as well.
I had a little chuckle to myself with that because there am I with my little
Buddy Desktop and it spells that word right every time with WSR.
“Consistently” (adverb) to be consistent. Not a “made up” word but a “REAL
word”.
You could have afforded a new stove pipe and a new steep roof instead of
spending all that money on your hobby.
Look at all the money you saved by not buying Vista, now you can
move directly up to Window 7 when it comes out ;-)
Exactly, and look at the money I will save in upgrading to that if I want to
in the future (yes, and I do believe I can just upgrade the speech program
itself rather than the whole new OS). So much cheaper than DNS upgrades.
Plus with windows seven, you do not just get WSR; you get a whole OS as
well. Value for money I'd say. Not like the overpriced DNS medical which you
have to take a mortgage out on to get one those.
WSR was the worst, it only worked with example#1
Worked for me, just had to train it that’s all
Example #2 is a rare word,
“Is rare”, a bit like your outdoor activities then?
seldom found in even large medical dictionaries, so I would not expect it to be
recognized by WSR.
Tell me why do you use the medical version, is it so you can self medicate?
Example #3 is not a real word, it is a "made up" word
from a Walt Disney movie named "Mary Poppins" in 1964
Sorry, I have just been laughing for the last 2½ minutes at what you
produced above.
A made up word for you’re made up world a Mark? I think a fitting end would
be you and Mary Poppins holding an umbrella each and flying off into the
sunset. Please do yourself a favour, stop smoking anymore cannabis, Mary
Poppins hates that.
Nevertheless, DNS and MD handled all 3 examples
consistantly. I had to force MD to use "Text Macros"
in order for MD to handle examples #2 and #3.
DNS was the clear winner, it did not have to resort to
using macros on any of the 3 examples
Okay, give yourself a gold star badge! Clever sales pitch, sounds like you
are running scared my friend. I particularly like the way you use the past
tense “DNS WAS the clear winner”.
Example#1
****************************************
We speculate that spontaneous destabilization involving
spatiotemporal nonperiodicity (symmetry breaking) occurs
in a macroscopically stochastic manner because collectively
interacting actomyosins generate chaotic dynamics capable of
amplifying intrinsic microscopic fluctuations to destabilize
macroscopic conditions.
****************************************
Example#2
********************************
pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
********************************
Example#3
********************************
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
********************************
Will you look at what you are producing above. Further evidence that you
should get out more. I was wrong, you don’t have senile dementia you have
psychiatric problems on top of senile dementia.
It looks like you have spent all your time recently testing out your DNS
medical and WSR on these newsgroups as I have noticed your name crops up in
most of them.
You are to be congratulated that you got example#3 running
in two minutes, wish i knew your secret. Does it still work,
or is it just a flash in the pan like my flaky example was.
Thank you for congratulating me but it really wasn’t that difficult. One
thing I have noticed, I have used supercalifragilisticexpialidocious more
times correcting you in these posts than I have previously through my whole
life!
No, it is not a flash in the pan and it worked first time when I tried it.
The only thing that is flaky as far as I can determine is your brain.
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious there you go, it is still in my
vocabulary library and recognizes my voice and pronunciation of that word.
It will do the same with ANY other word or phrases. I do not need to be
congratulated on it as you have done so, you simply have to do a bit of
research. (Do not forget to have a break from time to time though Mark)
I already explained this, if you want to add a new word in WSR you simply
say “Open Speech Dictionary” you then say “Spell it” you then spell it into
the “Windows Speech Dictionary” window and then check the box which says
“record a pronunciation upon finish”. Then you say “next” as directed. You
then pronounce the word and the dictionary will record and playback your
voice interpretation of that word and as long as you have spelt the word
correctly, it will spell it correctly every time because it recognizes your
voice and then becomes part of your very own vocabulary library within WSR.
This will do the same with ANY words including the everyday words that you
use below (a bit of sarcasm there, did you notice?) Unless you deliberately
spell words to the speech dictionary as words that you DO NOT want in your
speech vocabulary.
BTW, the above 3 examples are not "useless" as you maintain,
Okay, I concede that one. Perhaps I should have phrased it a little better
and said “words or phrases are only useful if you use them enough in everyday
language”. The three examples that you give are not exactly your every day
examples unless you are or were in the medical profession or such, which is a
small fraction of the world’s population.
I also point out that if you did want those words or phrases in your
vocabulary library as I have explained above, you can teach them to become a
part of your own vocabulary library in WSR.
because if you can get relatively crappy programs like WSR
Temper! Temper! Sounds like you are getting a bit hot under the collar
using slogans like that. Do not let it get to you Mark and watch your blood
pressure.
“Crappy” not a great choice of words. It shows your lack of imagination and
that you are running out of ideas on how to use the English language and you
are now scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Also, I would certainly not call WSR “crappy” and I am not alone in that
thinking because there are thousands out there that would agree with me.
“New on the scene” perhaps would be a better description but definitely not
“crappy” as you can see, I find it very easy to use. Being disabled means I
cannot use my hands at all and having the temptation to use the keyboard is
not an option.
“This relatively crappy program” as you so eloquently put it contains the
numbering system within WSR which is a must have addition and is patent
pending and only exclusive to WSR and not in DNS
to do such things as the above examples, it means that almost any
user out there can do the same things, if he/she is willing to climb
the learning curve like you did.
Yes, I will give you that one, you have to be willing to learn which does
take a certain amount of time but as you mention above if you are willing to
learn then eventually you will reap the rewards. This does not just apply to
WSR it also applies to any speech recognition program including DNS.
Example#1
**************************************** the
We speculate that spontaneous destabilization involving
spatiotemporal nonperiodicity (symmetry breaking) occurs
in a macroscopically stochastic manner because collectively
interacting actomyosins generate chaotic dynamics capable of
amplifying intrinsic microscopic fluctuations to destabilize
macroscopic conditions.
****************************************
Example#2
********************************
pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
********************************
Example#3
********************************
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
********************************
More examples of an everyday words (not) I think I have covered this, I
could add these examples to WSR if I wanted to but I do not. I will not
pander to anymore of your pointless example tests just to say I have better
things to spend my time on than to fuel your hobby .
(ignoring the "NewLine" bug that both WSR and DNS have)
Yes you are right about the “New line” bug but if you are honest, it isn’t a
major bug is it?
With WSR you simply say “Backspace” to chop off the capital letter and then
say “Caps off“ to make sure that capitals are off on your keypad. You then
say “start typing mode” and speak the letter that you want. That takes me
roughly about 20 seconds I would say, not a problem for me.
Actually, Andy is the guy who got me interested in trying WSR.
Curious a?
Andy is the local distributor/advocate of WSR/Vista in the UK
I wish I was! I could then probably afford a “state of the art” wheelchair
that could elevate me upwards so I could look people in the eye whilst
drinking a beer.
which is why he got pissed off at me when I suggested he try to
get WSR to _consistantly_ recognize that female astronauts
name of Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper.
NASA workers call her either "Heide" or "Stefanyshyn-Piper"
No way can Andy get WSR to recognize that name across logoffs.
And no way would Andy want to (notice consistently spelt wrong again above
in Marks transcript)
Keep offering me these challenges really does show you have too much time on
your hands and the beginnings of a nervous breakdown.
I was not pissed off with you Mark, I merely pitied you.
I say once again for your health Mark, get out from between those four walls
although I fear it may be too late. Seeing as you recognise that female
astronaut’s name, why don’t you join her and go off into space. Be careful
though, Mary Poppins might get jealous.
If I ever run into a medical professional in these personal
computer NGs
They would probably run a mile!
then I will certainly do my best to encourage him
to use Dragon full medical version 10,
“Encourage”? You mean impose, this is just another sales pitch, and I rest
my case.
however so far I have not
encountered any such professionals in these PC newsgroups.
I wonder why!
You only know part of my situation here; I spent a real bundle of
money on accessory hardware, which amounted to much more
than the $1,600 for Dragon 10 medical, not even counting the
cost of the computers it runs on.
What do you want a paper hat?
Since you have been boasting on how much equipment you have and how much it
all cost, I thought I would let you know, before I had my accident, I was a
professional DJ (yes, and I got paid for it unlike you just having a
glorified hobby) so I think I know a thing or two about sound systems
including microphones.
I still have the equipment sitting in my garage which amounts to about
£ 17,000 this also includes two cordless (wireless) Beyerdynamic
Opus 381 microphones, three Shure PG48 XLR microphones and two pairs of
Senneheiser HD25 SP headphones. That is without other equipment such as
disco speakers, amplifiers, decks, lighting equipment and whole host of other
things which I will not bore you with. (sigh... I miss my DJ work).
Regarding the microphones, I do acknowledge that microphones for speech
recognition are a different animal but the Buddy DesktopMic I have is
satisfactory for my needs and that coupled with WSR, gives me virtually 100%
accuracy.
Anyway, must dash. I have far more important things to do than pander to
your childish notions and challenges so go ahead Mark, knock yourself out.
--
andy t
"Mark Conrad" wrote:
In article <be6248d353b85addf79f9b726aad6c88@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Grantx.
<guest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Mark,
Interesting discussion about DNS versus WSR There's a Yahoo
groupcalled MS-Speech with many experienced programmer members who
arewriting macros for WSR. They claim to be able to do anything you want
on
WSR equally as well as DNS. But it's a mixed bag; there areproponents on
both sides in that forum.
There is a rumor that a new version of WSR is in
the pipeline. Ithink Vista will be replaced in short order when Windows 7
comes out andmore people will start using WSR. Maybe some of us XP users
will decideto move up.
Mark, if would become a member of this forum I
would be able to sendyou a private message. Or you could join the KB forum,
same thing.Since we're both California residents it would be nice to get
betteracquainted.
Grant
--
Grantx
Nice to hear from you Grant.
Dunno, I am not much of a joiner as far as those moderated forums
are concerned, I am too ornery and cantankerous in my old age.
I have a very high opinion about Chuck Runquist's posts in the
KnowBrainer forums, if anything would induce me to join, it
would be that.
For the time being, think I will just sit on the sidelines.
Look at all the money you saved by not buying Vista, now you can
move directly up to Window 7 when it comes out ;-)
Actually, Andy is the guy who got me interested in trying WSR.
Andy is the local distributor/advocate of WSR/Vista in the UK,
which is why he got pissed off at me when I suggested he try to
get WSR to _consistantly_ recognize that female astronauts
name of Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper.
NASA workers call her either "Heide" or "Stefanyshyn-Piper"
No way can Andy get WSR to recognize that name across logoffs.
I was able to get WSR to kinda recognize that name as long as I
did not shut down WSR.
As you know, it is easy for DNS to recognize that name
consistantly, logoffs or not.
WSR certainly is not nearly as good as Dragon, but should
eventually improve with Microsoft behind it.
Just finished playing with my new toy "earset" microphone
named "theBoom E" ($300) - Linus likes theBoom.
Boom has that darn super-tiny 2.5mm 4 conductor phono
jack, had to frantically order a "Computer PC Adapter"
their code item "254" which is a Y connector that splits
the tiny phono jack into two larger 3.5mm male phono
jacks, which plug into one end of the external USB
sound pod.
Y adapter costs $15, add $40 shipping to get it to me
overnight.
USP delivery guy rides a sure-footed mule to get it up
to me in these mountains ;-)
(gadd, it is getting harder and harder to afford all these
toys on my welfare check)
Gave theBoom my standard test with Dragon, turned my TV
up loud enough to hurt my ears, then dictated into Dragon.
Very impressive noise rejection, text came out 100% with
Dragon, but with WSR there were a few mistakes due to
WSR not being as forgiving about noise, despite the mic'.
"theBoom" will be a stop-gap mic' for me, there are a lot
of things I do not like about it.
Really have my eyes on the new Samsung wireless mic' due
out in the early months of 2009, named the "Airline Sync".
I might need a crash course from you about how to run
an Airline type of microphone.
Mark-
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