Re: Udungtu 8.10 ***WOW***

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:eexJiewUJHA.1164@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
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Sthief Ballmer wrote:
Em Sábado, 29 de Novembro de 2008 04:54, Richard Urban escreveu:

What is in the distribution IS the operating system.


you better reinstall your definition of "operative system".


You'd think an MVP would know the difference between an operating system and a program.

Alias


just like you should know the difference between a Vista and Ubuntu group?



Ah, but I do know the difference. We know you're afraid of Ubuntu because it may very well cost you your run adaware for money business.

Alias


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By the time that any Linux distro has the same customer base as Windows, it will be plagued by infections, and you still will not know anything or have any respect or regard for what people want out of their computers..


Yes, Linux will become more of a target, however my experience with Vista is that many problems have been fixed BUT IE has become the problem. You cannot uninstall and reinstall it, and when malware breaks it you cannot always fix it. And malware for IE is not really malware, many of the breakages I see are due to some "Toolbar" or BHO that gets installed whether you ask for it or not.


Do you really think that virus writers and hackers will sit idly by as underdeveloped countries and government departments get Linux distros foisted onto them?


Foisted? Microsoft surely are the experts at foisting. Example, small business server. You can't use many of the facilities "Offered" without also purchasing "Office". You also need to buy "Sharepoint". I am not suggesting that this is "Dishonest", GM want you to buy GM parts not have things compatible with Ford, but isn't everything these days "Foisted"?


You push Ubuntu because you can't afford a Windows PC really, and jealousy drives you to want to bring everybody down to your level.


I have a number of Vista capable machines with removable drives and regularly swap the OS on each of them. I prefer Ubuntu for some things, Windows for others. Cost has nothing to do with it. The positive thing as far as Vista is concerned is that it's networking and reliability have improved to the extent where it could be used for work, previously it was little more than a "Toy". The problem with using it for work now is the insecurity and unreliability of IE, and when that goes wrong (not "If" but "when") much other MS business stuff cannot be used either.


Linux has given the world three things.. a good server OS for, a platform for hackers to ply their trade, and newsgroup trolls..


Ah, you mean because a Linux utility on CD can almost instantly render all Windows "Security" worthless?


My website contains free info re spyware and how to get rid of it, as do the websites of most other MVP's. When we do go out to customers, it is to help them and not leave them with a system that does not do all that they want it to do..


Most of which gets on there DESPITE UAC, which is NOT security but rather Useless and Cumbersome. Again, this is not Microsoft's fault, mostly it is a user problem, but it is touted as "Security" when it is not.

Microsoft need the next system to be more repairable, more modular, get rid of IE and WMP as system components and make them reinstallable. Get Explorer to actually work?.

Let's have a proper update system, not some half baked thing that relies on IE.


Charlie/Wharf

I have on occasion showed Linux distros to customers but so far have had no takers even for those who essentially only surf and do e-mail. I don't see Windows as the answer to all, but I am acutely aware of the fact that I have to go with the wishes of the people I serve.

Some of the attitudes are based around free stuff not being that good. People would rather trust and spend $90 on Norton or McAfee than use free AVG and Avast even though AVG and Avast are well enough proven. I often hear that "well, I had a free av program running that let a bunch of crap through. Should I get Norton?"

Of course, the truth of the matter is that free stuff is not as good, but free stuff is not deficient in the basic functions, lacking only more advanced or 'luxury' features which the majority do not use anyway. All in the mind, eh..

... Except for those who do want some of the advanced 'luxury' features not offered by the free stuff. Their wants and/or needs should be respected and recognized, and this is where I take up against Alias for his blind assumption that Ubuntu is good enough for the needs of ALL computer users.

I have never said that Ubuntu or any other Linux distro is crap and has no place anywhere, but I would not tout Ubuntu as a panacea to a disgruntled Windows user because it simply isn't..

The maxim "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink' is oh so true..

Re IE, I understand that use of Firefox now outstrips users of IE, so surfing should ne safer, yes? So why isn't it? Maybe because any open connection to places unknown will be dangerous?

I don't think that it matters much that WU relies on IE or that browsing defaults to IE. If I want to surf, I pick whichever browser I want to use at the time, as can anybody else..

UAC is only a part of Vista security, was badly implemented, BUT there is a utility out there which can make UAC more user friendly called TweakUAC. It is a pity that it couldn't have been like that at the start, but at least a fix became available, as do fixes for many other things in time..

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