Re: A correct "mojave" experiment for Vista

"gerooky" <g@xxxxxxx> wrote in message news:48d6ff2c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
let me reply to every single one of those stupid things you list ok?

> Built in search,
Give me a break the vista search indexing is a buggy problematic horrid defective piece of crap that I disable at once after I install vista!

better firewall
The better features are hidden someone where no normal user will look. Usless for the masses.

service hardening
The amount of services has increased too much, it's a bloat paradise! MS is trying to REDUCE the amount of services in windows7

much better default user interface
You can install a theme for XP, big deal!

64 bit version has much better driver support,
32 bit version has much worse driver support than XP.. lol

can set a jpg file as the desktop background without using active desktop

Big deal! One click was not that hard to save as bmp. The ram needed to display the wallpaper is the same either in jpg or bmp.

active desktop no longer exists

Many people are really mad about this since they used it for tasks!

S3 sleep support,
XP could go in standby too.

Windows sidebar,
Crap eyecandy, but if you insist google sidebar with google desktop and yahoo gadgets all free.

snipping tool
Winsnap free version, better than the stupid snipping tool

photo gallery
Live photo gallery installs on XP and is also crap, XNVIEW is free and much better.

much better performance measuring
Yeah you need it to try to figure out what the heck is making vista so SLOW!!!!!!!!1

DVD maker
I never needed such an app but im sure there are alternative free ones out there.

bitlocker
Not on all versions of vista!!!! most people have home premium

image based deployment

Boat deployment, XP installs faster and better and is more versatile than vista

directx 10
That's a marketing SCAM! there was no reason for it not to be given to XP users.
In fact I have seen a version hacked that installs on XP and works great! lol

Mobility Center
Not many use it.. if you are going to point every small utility that comes with crapista to try to make it look good
then I think I must point to UBUNTU that has THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of free applications !!!!!

Windows Calendar, Windows Contacts,

see live messenger, live mail desktop wave 3

scalable icons

Insignificant improvement, just eyecandy


breadcrumbs
GOD forbid this STUPID MORON IDEA!!!! available on XP with an explorer addon though if you insist
NO UP BUTTON!!!! GoD VISTA IS STUPID!

usable parental controls
See live wave 3 pls

ASLR, better DEP support, integrity control of applications, credential providers instead of GINA, improved IPSEC support, better wireless encryption support, ...

Yeah yeah things that consumers don't give a heck about...

Look vista is just a pile of crap because it offers no significant improvement..

all that stuff is mostly BLOAT, and not improvement on the OS itself.

The worse thing about this bloat is that it slows the OS itself down, unlike linux
where it doesn't slow down, no matter how many apps you install!

I would like to see increase in performance and the ability for it to be MORE compatible with applications and
hardware... then give me icons that can be scaled.

by the way the scalability of icons is MUCH worse than what was promised in longhorn.
I know the story, I know the promises.. Vista is a stupid degraded crap OS that was pushed onto people
by force.


Vista has BAD PERFORMANCE and COMPATIBILITY that's what people care about most...
add on small programs and eye candy are the last things they care about.




better firewall, service hardening, IE protected mode,
better memory management, much better default user interface, 64 bit version has much better driver support, can set a jpg file as the desktop background without using active desktop, active desktop no longer exists, S3 sleep support, Windows sidebar, snipping tool, photo gallery, DVD maker, bitlocker, image based deployment, much better performance measuring and troubleshooting tools, directx 10, Mobility Center, Windows Calendar, Windows Contacts, scalable icons, breadcrumbs, usable parental controls, ASLR, better DEP support, integrity control of applications, credential providers instead of GINA, improved IPSEC support, better wireless encryption support, ...




"Kerry Brown" <kerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*a*m> wrote in message news:#bL7zTFHJHA.1156@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"+Bob+" <uctraing@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:0pmdd4li1n2pue28rm718d88llkgsn6046@xxxxxxxxxx
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:44:27 -0700, "Kerry Brown"
<kerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*a*m> wrote:

Try comparing apples to apples instead of apples to oranges (pun intended).
Here's the minimum and suggested minimum recommendations for XP.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314865

What is the user experience like with that setup? It's about as good as
Vista with the suggested minimum recommendations. Microsoft has never been
very good with either minimum or suggested minimum requirements. Here's some
more that are way off.

The point is that Vista requires twice the hardware and still runs
slower.

I invite you (too) to tell me what improvements Vista has that merit
the increase in hardware.




Built in search, better firewall, service hardening, IE protected mode, better memory management, much better default user interface, 64 bit version has much better driver support, can set a jpg file as the desktop background without using active desktop, active desktop no longer exists, S3 sleep support, Windows sidebar, snipping tool, photo gallery, DVD maker, bitlocker, image based deployment, much better performance measuring and troubleshooting tools, directx 10, Mobility Center, Windows Calendar, Windows Contacts, scalable icons, breadcrumbs, usable parental controls, ASLR, better DEP support, integrity control of applications, credential providers instead of GINA, improved IPSEC support, better wireless encryption support, ...

There's a few I can think of. I'm sure I missed more than I could come up with off the top of my head. And before you say this can be added to XP - Yes some of it can, but at what cost in both money and performance?

Another point is that the minimum recommended system for Vista is considerably less expensive than the minimum recommended XP system was when both OS's were released. More importantly a decent Vista system is about 3/4 the price of decent XP system at a similar point in the timeline of XP development. If you take inflation into account it's actually less than 1/2 the cost.

I also take issue with your assertion that Vista runs slower than XP. If you compare like with like i.e. a decent Vista system from today with a decent XP system from 1 1/2 years after XP was released I think you'll find the Vista system a better performer. Saying XP outperforms Vista on the same hardware is like saying Windows 98 outperforms XP on the same hardware. Yes, in both cases this is true. What is also true is that a typical XP system would outperform a typical Windows 98 system and be much nicer to use. The same holds true with Vista vs. XP. The point is the typical system changes over time as hardware comes down in price and has better performance. Should we ignore hardware improvements and only program for old, outdated hardware. I don't know any OS that does that. Do you? I've been running Fedora since it was Redhat 5.2. My first Redhat system was a PII with 32 MB. Do you think Fedora 9 would run on it? Would Redhat 5.2 outperform Fedora 9 on a new system? How about OS X on my old PowerCenter Pro?

Things change. Life and OS's move on. It's too bad some people can't deal with this.

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Kerry Brown
MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
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Almost all of your arguments against Vista are either personal subjective view or are based on the first two months of Vista release..

You are a troll..

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