Re: search not finding files .... my blood pressure is rising
- From: "leapfrog vista" <leapfrog@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:51:30 +0300
Windows search is crap.. total crap
Best educate yourself and avoid the monstrosity
Read below:
http://news.office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?articleid=549&zoneid=12&paginate=false
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Do you have trouble with Outlook 2007 and other programs running slowly under Windows Vista? Opening Explorer windows, saving documents and even simple typing can make you wait and wait. Looking around the internet, there are plenty of people with similar problems.
We've had more reports of excruciatingly slow running Windows Vista, especially with Outlook 2007, and given that Peter's main computer has the same problem, we've spent some time working on the problem.
There's nothing on the Microsoft web site to help, which figures because to admit a problem of this size would affect sales of both the operating system and Office suite.
We have some theories about the problem and some possible workarounds that might help you.
What's the problem?
The problem seems to be the Windows Vista indexing service when used with a lower level of physical RAM (in this context 'low' can mean 2GB!) and a lot of items to be indexed (documents and especially emails in Outlook).
Our informal tests suggest the Vista indexing services grabs more and more resources (especially RAM) as the number of indexed items grows. For most people the majority of indexed items are in Outlook.
Vista runs fine when there's little to be indexed but once you put any kind of reasonable load on it, the indexing system starts bogging down the entire works. Once you get a few hundred thousand indexable items, the Vista indexing service drags the entire system down.
Adding RAM will speed things up a bit but, over time, the problem may return as the number of indexed items rises.
Regardless of the indexing status, the operating system should not slow down to this degree. Apologists for Microsoft have said that the problem is having 'too many' emails in Outlook - which is a typical 'blame the customer' response from Microsoft. Outlook, by design, can cope with extremely large data files (ie PST / OST files of many gigabytes). Microsoft went to the trouble of revamping the data file format to provide for much larger data files than are currently in use.
Now the Vista indexing service is undoing that work. Vista indexing was supposed to make finding things easier, instead it forces you to reduce your Outlook data to suit the limitations of the operating system.
In this important respect Windows Vista is a backward step. Instead of technical advancements to deal with the accumulation of data put on computers, Vista's indexing service put effective limits on what you can store and retrieve on your computer.
It is a bug in Vista, for the operating system should be able to cope with much more data than is currently common. Instead it can deal with less than usual or it forces the user to trim their information storage to cope with Microsoft's failure.
Other desktop search products like Google Desktop Search and Copernic Desktop Search can index large quantities of data without slow-down on a Vista computer. You would expect Vista indexing, as part of the operating system, to be able to perform better than third-party products - not worse.
Workarounds?
While we wait for Microsoft to acknowledge the indexing problem and then fix it, what can you do to get on with your life? Here are some suggestions, some of which aren't great compromises but may have to do until Microsoft fixes the problem.
Add RAM
Even more so than Windows XP, Vista loves RAM. Specifically, the Vista indexing service loves RAM.
Read the rest at the link I provided!
"Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arnold@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:OKSnr1EFJHA.3996@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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"c" <barneytoe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:889ea1eb-9877-4dad-977b-9ff7312f54b1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxwell that's the key to this problem. I did have include non-indexed
files specified so I suspect .log wasn't in search files, but I don't
even know how to verify that.
Nature of my work has me searching files with random extensions or no
extensions often, so I think it's best for me to leave it off.
c
The Location Box at the top did you select a drive letter like <C> instead of leaving it on *Indexed Locations*. Guess what? If you leave the Location Box sitting at Indexed Locations Only, then that's where it going to look, and it's not going to look anywhere else, even if you selected the include non-index files.
After the search is completed, then you can double-click or expand the Computer icon, left side of screen, go to a drive and to the folders on the drive.
While you're in the Adv Search screen, you can push the Alt-key to get more options for the search, like Tools where you tell Search to look up by file content and other things.
You can even use Boolean operators like AND, OR, NOT when looking for content in files. The Search is very powerful if one knows how to use it. I suggest that you use Google and find articles on how to really use Vista's Search.
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