Re: Why would a Home User buy more than Vista Basic?

keepout@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:06:10 -0400, the <the@xxxxxxx> wrote:

keepout@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:22:57 -0400, the <the@xxxxxxx> wrote:

How many decades was IBM the top dog? Did the government step in then? What happened to IBM was micro computer systems, client servers, and personal computers. There was a technology change that took IBM down.
Not sure where you're getting 'take IBM down'. They're far from down.
IBM doesn't control Information Technology as it once did for decades once other players like MS, Apple, Dec, PDP, Altos and other such vendors started using different technology for IT business solutions, other than, mainframe technology -- IBM's bread and butter. The technology that's being mentioned above, IBM missed the boat and ignored it when they were right there to control it, in the 70's.

IBM viewed the technology as toy technology, didn't keep pace with it,
I'll have to agree with that statement. I've always viewed what they've done
with computing as toy tech. Outside of what IBM has done.

Who is they?

For a real computer, IBM IS the Only name and Only software worth considering.

You have your own opinions that obviously most others don't agree with.


came very late to the table, and it was too late for IBM to maintain dominance. I started in that era of IBM dominance and saw what was
Two different categories. Apples and oranges... There's no comparison between
IBM and windows other than the fact they share the titles of computing
machines.

You aren't going to find a windows OS running a bank mainframe.

Come on man, MS is not in the bussines of making O/S(s) for mainframes. This is total nonsense coming from you.

What you will find is middle tier technology that sits between the client side technology and the mainframe side technology with solutions such as a MS Biztalk sever, relegating the mainframe to a back-end transaction processor.

Windows won't find the cure for cancer. It'll be an IBM mainframe operating at
teraflops, not a windows machine operating at ghz.

IBM mainframes have their nitch in Information Technology, they have not gone anywhere, but mainframe technology is no longer the focal point, as solutions are being migrated off of mainframe technology.

They're not even in the same category, so any comparison to their OS or place
in the SAME market has no relevance. Windows has their customers, IBM has
theirs. IBM has the Royalty of big business. Windows has the redneck and blue
collar niche.

You are wrong and I am beginning to think that there is something wrong with you, as you are making no sense now.

There are many, many, many, many companies they rely on client/server technology to conduct day to day business activities and they are in big business situations as solutions as well, in communications with an IBM mainframe as a back-end transaction processor in a big business company.


happening, what eventually happened and knew that IBM mainframe technology was going have its nitch market. But IBM would no longer have world dominance with pc(s) micro computer systems or client servers, like it once had with the mainframes, because they let the boat sale right past them.

Probably because trying to make affordable machines to stick their software on
was a waste of resources. The technology didn't exist in the public sector to
run the advanced software IBM had created. Windows was and still is toy
technology when you compare the two.

This is some kind of a joke right when IBM did just that with AS400(s) and System3(s)? AS400(s) are still running in companies that couldn't afford the big IBM mainframe technology to this day.

And IBM certainly tried to get into the PC market with the IBM Personal System 3 back in the 80's, which IBM couldn't achieve, because they had already been passed by, with Apple, Altos, IBC and others leaving them out in the cold.

Look man, I have done IBM 360/370 Assembler Language programming, Cobol Mantis, PL1 etc. etc on the IBM's for many years. CICS, IMS TSO/SPF programming for many years as well, using VSAM and many database technologies that run on the mainframes, which are still viable solutions to this day and are still being used. I have also been on the client server side programming for many years, Web server, NT Service, Console application and Desktop application technology programming for many years.

What you are talking about in the compassions between mainframe and client/server technology is absolute nonsense -- absolute nonsense, as the technology on the client/server has out paced the IBM technology in many areas from a software standpoint. But of course, the speed on a mainframe cannot be matched when it comes to processing transactions.

FWIW: There were some IBM Big Blue desktops created. But cost was sky high.

Man, I was there, and you're not telling me anything I don't know. Where is it now?


The only reason you don't hear about IBM OS, and windows OS in the same breath,
an IBM OS runs about $8000.00 compared to an entire machine with windows
installed and other software for under $500.00
IBM missed the boat, and IBM doesn't have the absolute dominance in vendor software or equipment distribution, the absolute dominance it once had in the industry. Anyone starting in or came through the IBM dominance era knows this. IBM missed the boat.

It's not killing IBM.. Gov't's don't buy toys to run their critical databases.
Our own gov't [U.S.] as an example. There's no way the U.S. could tolerate such
a buggy worthless OS. When they need a printout, they need it now and not when
the next OS update happens.

But in the mean time. I have been contacted as a consultant to create ..Net solutions in the city of Washington DC for the government that uses the MS platform, so I don't even know where you're coming up with such nonsense.

And besides, what does the government and the usage of an IBM mainframe have to do with the origins on the subject of the OP's post, which you felt the need to voice your opinion?

Yeah within some offices, you can find the windows OS. But not for base, or
world connections to the data.

So? Like I said, mainframes are great back-end transaction processors.


A company that's 'down' wouldn't be trying to sell anything for $8000.00 a pop
to remain in competition. They're so far past competing, the IBM name has much
more credibility than windows. Windows is the blue collar OS for every one with
a paycheck. ie: the Hula Hoop of the 50's is windows now.
IBM let the absolute dominance it once had slip away, when IBM management failed to recognize the technological change that was taking place. If IBM could have recognized what was going on and not just blow the technology off, you would be talking about IBM not Microsoft.

You don't think I'd rather have an IBM ? Actually I'd rather have my old Amiga.
It was years ahead of Windows, even now.

Where is it now is the bottom line?

I would say for public use an IBM desktop computer is overkill.

It's not happening and all the players are doing the same thing with the technology at hand. So MS is going to remain the top dog, until technology changes to something else.
yeah CB radio, Hula Hoops, Pet rocks, etc..

This is more nonsense from you, and you have total missed the point as to why no one is knocking MS out of the box in your lifetime.


Or the gov't brings in standards the same way they have with usage of other
PUBLIC utilities.
It has not happened by now, then it's not going to happen, no matter how much you wish for it. Too many people are riding the MS cash cow, and they know what side the bread is buttered on

I don't know why you'd say that. airbags are mandated by the gov't for EVERY
vehicle produced for PUBLIC transportation with very few exceptions, school
busses. Autos have been around for 100 years. Actually it's the 100th birthday
of the model T this year. No air bags, no seat belts, no safety glass. All
changes brought about by gov't. creating standards that MUST be met for the
PUBLIC.

Man, that's transportation safety issues, which the government should mandate a little bit snice it concerns life, death and personal injury.

There's no reason to believe the gov't won't step in to take advantage of this
technology and make it so that ALL companies will have a blue print to work
from.

The government can barely run the government. Have the government straighten out health insurance, Social Security that I am not going to see very little of, medicate, terrorism, HDTV payout coupons to people like my mom with her TV and the national debit etc, etc. The government needs to be doing more on other things instead wondering about what MS is doing based on your opinion.

Instead of everyone trying to keep up with M$ whims. Take the term 'if it
isn't broken, don't fix it' yet that's exactly what M$ did for $$$$$$$$$
reasons by releasing Vista.

That's your opinion and you know what they say about opinions. Everyone has got one and they are a dime a dozen.

Almost a dead ringer for XP. Hardly worth the
expenses incurred to scrap XP and switch to Vista.

You have not gone under the hood of Vista or XP to even know the differences. And I am not going to go there with you either.


There are definite laws regarding monopolies, and M$ has been hit several times
already on this exact thing.

MS is still standing and they are not going anywhere. It's called the cost to operate. And MS is no where in the ball park compared to the billions and billions and billions more billions than can be counted, the supermarket to the world company, which is still in control of everything you eat even after the government stepped in. I use to work for that compnay. I suggest you look up the book "Rats in the Grain". MS is nowhere in the ballpark compared to that company.

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The rest of this I am just tired of it and you. I am not going to allow you to go off on me like you're some kind of a manic on a soapbox.

You have gone totally out of control.

MS is not going away in your lifetime. And you need some kind of a reality check.

The Mississippi river is between the two of us. I have been on both banks of the river. I don't know about you, but we're never going to meet in the middle.

Therefore, please man please drop this, because anything you have to say, you will be making moot points to me.


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