Re: Back to VB6 and .NET

"Tom Shelton" <tom_shelton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Try it in VB5/6. There is *no* noticable time delays between keystrokes.


It sucked in VB5/6 as well. It was feature that encouraged crappy
coding, IMHO. Didn't use it then, don;t use it now. By the way, the

hmmm... should I bow/salute if I see you walking near by?

couple of times I ahve tried it in .NET, I have never noticed any
keystroke lag?

Well, you're not going to "Paul" up on me and ask for proof, right? If so,
keep in mind that A) I don't make this up out of thin-air and B) Google has
plenty of proof, as do the dotNet groups. All it takes is a visit from a
true evangelist. geez... just look at the groups! gimme a freaking break
here.

If you insist, I suppose I can dig up 1 or 1,000 posts on the subject.

Of course, you think of this as a language feature - since VB.CLASSIC
was so tied to the dev environment. This isn't true with VB.NET you can
code in notepad and use bat files to do your builds if you want.

No... I don't think of it as a language feature. I think of it as an
extremely useful IDE feature. *FAR FAR* more useful than forcing people to
deal with "collapsing code"... I don't edit code in a treeview atmosphere,
sorry... I actually like using my editing keys (Ctrl-Home, etc)

VB for net has direct from version 2002 background compiling, a feature
that has never been in C# and therefore C# needs endless builds to
correct
typing errors.

Which must be another "bolt on - after the fact" because VB Classic's had
that for years.


And? It's not a "bolt on" - the VB.NET IDE has always had it.

Boy... starting to look like yet another "VB.Net is great, but I don't use
it" band leader.

VB for net has direct from version 2002 a kind of auto editing,
something
that has never been in C# (which is much improved in version 2008 by the
way)

Which must be another "bolt on - after the fact" because VB Classic's had
that for years.


LOL... Believe me the VB.NET version is MUCH better. All you get vrom
VB.CLASSIC is the annoying modal message box... In VB.NET it tells you
what's wrong, gives you a list of suggested fixes - and then let you
select one, which it will automatically implement for you.

Modal message box? WTF ya' talkin' about there, Tom?.... Oh, you mean that
option that's supposed to be turned off as soon as you've mastered Hello
World? Ok... I see now. I assumed Cor was talking about Intellisense...
that's the only "auto editing" feature I've seen...

So, what you're saying is... this super-superior IDE that absolutely refuses
to allow me to work the way I like to work (single procedure view, for
starters), will actually tell you select from a list of "suggested
fixes".... this is a list that Microsoft put together, right? Just trying to
be clear on this....

"which it will automatically implement for you".... hmmmm... and it's Ok
*not* to be snobby about that, but perfectly acceptable to say people that
use E&C are basically "less worthy" coders? Ok... Whatever. Kool-Aid,
Kool-Aid.... tastes great Kool-Aid, Kool-Aid... Can't WAIT!


VB has in version 2008 direct XML creation something that is not in C#.

Now there's one VB Classic doesn't have.... XML. The "kitchen sink" file
spec that was originally designed to be nothing more than a "treeview"
version of CSV files. If you check the contents of an XML file in
notepad,
you'll see the same "bloatware" authors were involved in its creation.


I sense you really don't like XML... Which is fine, but for a lot of us,
XML is a reality we have to deal with - and so, I don't see the harm in
MS adding a feature that makes the our lives easier. That rant really
sounds more like sour grapes then anything rational. Really, if you
don't need the feature how is it hurting you if it's there?

--
Tom Shelton

Boy.... you really can spin things, eh? I couldn't care less if the IDE
recognizes XML... what I'd like to see is one that recognizes VB!... and,
fwiw, it's that "how is it hurting you if it's there" attitude that *is*
hurting people. The MS dev team has flatly ignored our requests and,
instead, implemented features that clearly add bloat to an already bloated
environment... I assume, because "it won't hurt anyone that doesn't use it"

Take a look at Vista. How long does it take to boot on your PC? How about
the dotNet IDE... how long does it take to open a project? Want to challenge
me to a "Hello World" race? You can have twice the ram and double the CPU
clock speed on your PC, kay?

And... finally (already far too much time has been wasted on this thread)...
pick 3 lines of code... any 3 lines... now, paste those lines into your
immediate window. Do they run? Maybe you say? Now, here's the kicker....
better step back, because I'm going to mention something here that snobs may
not like.... go to the immediate window, select those 3 lines of code and
paste them back where you got them.... Can't do it? You'd rather say "it
sucks and only crappy coders do it"? Ok... go ahead and say what you will...
still... you'll find this **extremely simple, straight forward operation**
to be impossible, no matter what version of dotNext you're using. (can't
speak for 2008, haven't tried... maybe it's mature enough to warrant a
usable immediate window... we'll see, I guess)

By the way... I can use Notepad to write code and use batch files to do
builds too. Who the he!! cares about that, anyway. I've been doing that
since 1981, when I got my first Motorola 6809 Editor/Assembler package....

--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - Please keep all discussions in the groups..
In Loving Memory - http://www.vbsight.com/Remembrance.htm


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