Re: VB6, VB2005, or Something Else?

Also you can't compile a DLL with RealBasic at the mean time,
they say they will have a 64 bit compiler very soon.

According to ZDnet report, 64 bit hardly moved since it was released,
and 64 bit sales are very low. I like 64 bit, it seems to run much
faster than 32 bit, but what I hate about it is all the DLLs I made
to add a menu to the context menu don't work.
They say 64 bit might kick in 2007/2008.

I think VB 6 will run OK in 64 bit and future OSs for the coming 6
to 10 years, except for the DLLs.



"Dan Barclay" <Dan@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I haven't used RealBasic, but I suspect the language itself is more like
VB. What I was looking for was the whole picture. The VCL (components and
library) in Delphi is much more complete and robust than VB itself. The
vendor and user community are much stronger than what I've seen of
RealBasic as well.

If you're interested in staying with the Basic language, that may be a
good move. I'm looking for more than that. Delphi is *very* VB like,
even though the syntax is somewhat different. Once you start using it you
sort of forget the differences and your fingers take care of most of those
automatically.

Dan



"TedF" <NoReply@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Thanks Dan,

Looks good so far.
I wonder if RealBasic is more like VB than Delphi,
and which would be better.



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"TedF" <NoReply@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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The Architect version has everything under the sun in it

It looks like it does.
I installed the pre-requisites, and I did select Delphi for Win32
only. But it did recommend to get latest .net updates, even though
I didn't install Delphi for .net.
I hope the 2006 is not .net dependent, if it is then I am
going to dump it. Otherwise then I have to buy a book
and learn it.

Dunno if the IDE requires .net. The executables don't though, unless
you explicitly build a .Net app.

If you want to learn the "big picture" view of Delphi, check out Marco
Cantu's "Mastering" series books. Even if you get one for a previous
version the language and structure are the same.

Dan


Thanks



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"TedF" <NoReply@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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It looks that Delphi much more screwed up than MS.
They have Borland Developer Studio 2006 Architect Trial,
the pre-requisite is 235 MB, and it is
Microsoft .NET Framework v1.1 Redistributable
Microsoft .NET Framework v1.1 SP1
Microsoft .NET SDK v1.1
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1
Microsoft Visual J# v1.1 Redistributable
Microsoft XML Core Services (MSXML) v4.0 SP2

I am trying to run away from .net, while Delphi
is dependent on .net.
Maybe the Standard and Professional version is not,
but I can feel that Borland level of thinking is way below
our standards, or another bunch of dummies.

The Architect version has everything under the sun in it, including a
bunch of modeling stuff and other tools written in .Net. I've got the
Enterprise version and that has way more stuff than I'll use for a
while.

You can load any portion of that, including Delphi for Win32, C#, C++
or Delphi for .Net (or a combination). The key parts for most of us
include VCL and the IDE for Delphi for Win32.

While I'm not aggressively moving to .Net, I'm trying to create my
Win32 code in such a way that I *could* use the code in .Net. Check
the shortcuts under the All Programs|Borland Developer Studio and just
load the personality you need. I don't know about the Trial version,
but the regular SKU's let you install only what you want.

Dan





"Dan Barclay" <Dan@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"TedF" <NoReply@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I don't see 64 bit mentioned anywhere in their 2006 release ?
Is MS holding the 64 bit code, and doing it again as they did
in 32 bit ?

D2006? That's Win32 and 32bit .Net. Borland has published a
"roadmap" that shows framework 2.0 in the next release as well as
64bit *native* not far behind. You can get evaluation compilers for
64 native now I believe.

DevCo (as they call the "Delphi IDE" team internally) has committed
to following where developers want to go. They've received a loud
message that both native and .Net environments are important to us.

Dan


Same with RealBasic.


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"Ralph" <nt_consulting64@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Has anyone played with their or anyone else's "Pacal.Net"
stuff - is
this going to be a serious option?

Here's one voice you may recognize from these parts:


http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=*.borland.*&as_uauthors=dan%40mvps.org

--
Working without a .NET?
http://classicvb.org/


Hey! That was useful. (Why didn't I think to just google? I sure
am quick to
suggest it to others. <g>)

It seems that I should spend a little less time listening to the
hype and a
bit more doing a little research.

Been doing research on this issue since before 2001 (
http://vb.mvps.org/tips/stability.asp ). Most of it "casual"
research (trying a few things, keeping my ear to the ground,
looking at the companies and strategies).

Short version: I'm not going to get religious about it, I care
about the business issues. I still like ClassicVB best, Delphi
isn't far behind and it's growing on me, I couldn't find any other
tools besides these two that would let me concentrate on the
*application* instead of the code as well. Deep product and
community support. WinApps as well as .Net. Even VCL (their
component lib) is more .Net compatible than I'd expected. I've
completely lost trust in what MS may or may not do to my code with
their development tools. While Delphi isn't absolutely perfect in
that regard, they're not even in the league with MS. Over the
years complaints have been near zero and trivial.

This most recent move with Borland separating Delphi out (or as
Duntemann puts it "Delphi Dumps Borland"<vbg>) promises to be a
VeryGoodThing. Until they complete the sale it's not "in the bag",
but everybody who cares about Delphi's future is pretty "up" right
now. One you might recognize:

see "February 9, 2006: Delphi Dumps Borland"
http://www.duntemann.com/Diary.htm

Dan





















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