Re: VB6, VB2005, or Something Else?


"TedF" <NoReply@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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The Architect version has everything under the sun in it

It looks like it does.
I installed the pre-requisites, and I did select Delphi for Win32
only. But it did recommend to get latest .net updates, even though
I didn't install Delphi for .net.
I hope the 2006 is not .net dependent, if it is then I am
going to dump it. Otherwise then I have to buy a book
and learn it.

Dunno if the IDE requires .net. The executables don't though, unless you
explicitly build a .Net app.

If you want to learn the "big picture" view of Delphi, check out Marco
Cantu's "Mastering" series books. Even if you get one for a previous
version the language and structure are the same.

Dan


Thanks



"Dan Barclay" <Dan@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"TedF" <NoReply@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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It looks that Delphi much more screwed up than MS.
They have Borland Developer Studio 2006 Architect Trial,
the pre-requisite is 235 MB, and it is
Microsoft .NET Framework v1.1 Redistributable
Microsoft .NET Framework v1.1 SP1
Microsoft .NET SDK v1.1
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1
Microsoft Visual J# v1.1 Redistributable
Microsoft XML Core Services (MSXML) v4.0 SP2

I am trying to run away from .net, while Delphi
is dependent on .net.
Maybe the Standard and Professional version is not,
but I can feel that Borland level of thinking is way below
our standards, or another bunch of dummies.

The Architect version has everything under the sun in it, including a
bunch of modeling stuff and other tools written in .Net. I've got the
Enterprise version and that has way more stuff than I'll use for a while.

You can load any portion of that, including Delphi for Win32, C#, C++ or
Delphi for .Net (or a combination). The key parts for most of us include
VCL and the IDE for Delphi for Win32.

While I'm not aggressively moving to .Net, I'm trying to create my Win32
code in such a way that I *could* use the code in .Net. Check the
shortcuts under the All Programs|Borland Developer Studio and just load
the personality you need. I don't know about the Trial version, but the
regular SKU's let you install only what you want.

Dan





"Dan Barclay" <Dan@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"TedF" <NoReply@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I don't see 64 bit mentioned anywhere in their 2006 release ?
Is MS holding the 64 bit code, and doing it again as they did
in 32 bit ?

D2006? That's Win32 and 32bit .Net. Borland has published a
"roadmap" that shows framework 2.0 in the next release as well as 64bit
*native* not far behind. You can get evaluation compilers for 64
native now I believe.

DevCo (as they call the "Delphi IDE" team internally) has committed to
following where developers want to go. They've received a loud message
that both native and .Net environments are important to us.

Dan


Same with RealBasic.


"Dan Barclay" <Dan@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Ralph" <nt_consulting64@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Has anyone played with their or anyone else's "Pacal.Net" stuff -
is
this going to be a serious option?

Here's one voice you may recognize from these parts:


http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=*.borland.*&as_uauthors=dan%40mvps.org

--
Working without a .NET?
http://classicvb.org/


Hey! That was useful. (Why didn't I think to just google? I sure am
quick to
suggest it to others. <g>)

It seems that I should spend a little less time listening to the
hype and a
bit more doing a little research.

Been doing research on this issue since before 2001 (
http://vb.mvps.org/tips/stability.asp ). Most of it "casual"
research (trying a few things, keeping my ear to the ground, looking
at the companies and strategies).

Short version: I'm not going to get religious about it, I care about
the business issues. I still like ClassicVB best, Delphi isn't far
behind and it's growing on me, I couldn't find any other tools
besides these two that would let me concentrate on the *application*
instead of the code as well. Deep product and community support.
WinApps as well as .Net. Even VCL (their component lib) is more .Net
compatible than I'd expected. I've completely lost trust in what MS
may or may not do to my code with their development tools. While
Delphi isn't absolutely perfect in that regard, they're not even in
the league with MS. Over the years complaints have been near zero
and trivial.

This most recent move with Borland separating Delphi out (or as
Duntemann puts it "Delphi Dumps Borland"<vbg>) promises to be a
VeryGoodThing. Until they complete the sale it's not "in the bag",
but everybody who cares about Delphi's future is pretty "up" right
now. One you might recognize:

see "February 9, 2006: Delphi Dumps Borland"
http://www.duntemann.com/Diary.htm

Dan















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