Re: VB.NET advantages
From: Ken Halter (Ken_Halter_at_Use_Sparingly_Hotmail.com)
Date: 01/14/05
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:35:26 -0800
"Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc..com> wrote in message
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>> No need? or no support. If no support then, how to share classes between
>> projects?
>
> No need in this case. You can still put object class code in a seperate
> file. In fact, VB 2005 even lets you split a class into different files
> and
> the compile will assemble it for you - I'm not sure how useful this would
> be, but it's there. All VB 2005 source code modules end in ".vb", so the
> nice differentiation that .FRM, .CLS, and .BAS created is unfortunately
> gone.
<sigh> Oh well... hopefully people will name their modules in a way that
this won't be a problem.
>> a time and I really like being able to use ctrl-Home/ctrl-End/ctrl-A/etc
>
> VB 2005 IDE is missing the single procedure view. The collapsible
> procedure
> feature provided just isn't as useful.
Ya got that right!... A multiline treeview (which is how I see the .Net
editor) isn't exactly my idea of "editing bliss" <g>
> removes the SET. The problem with default properties is that you can't
Actually, I'd rather see the line turn red than have the IDE remove my
code... and, the loss of default properties is a good thing imo. They cause
nothing but grief.
> they will be removed from the list as well. Although differnent, this
> actually leads to faster development than the stop the compile on the
> first
> error concept.
We'll see... InstallShield has an optional setting that stops on the first
error. That's what I use since the project can't possibly work while it
contains the error so going on and creating the Setup.exe (etc) is just a
waste. Maybe it's InstallShield's implementation of that "flood the dev with
error messages so it looks like they're working" feature that I don't like.
fwiw, (the company formerly known as) InstallShield's on my sh!t list right
now so I'm a bit biased against them.
>> Seems like, in this day and age, the IDE could remember which
>> intellisense
>> item you selected and show that first next time. Maybe even keep a
>> history
>> of the ones you use most, sort them by the number of times they were used
>> and show that list first.
>>
>
> Good idea - send that as a suggestion to MS. Contrary to popular belief,
> they occassionally listen to their customers (re: Edit & Continue)
Problem is, it usually goes in one ear and out the other.... or, the people
you're talking to have nothing to do with the dev team (even though they
want you to believe they do) so you're p!ssing into the wind. I might as
well suggest it though.. Couldn't hurt... right?
>>
>> Maybe missing something here but the VB6 code window *does* show
> line/column
>> info on the main toolbar (same panel as the compile progress panel)
>
> OK, how do I turn this on in VB 6 SP 5?
It should already be turned on... It's part of the "Standard" toolbar. While
viewing a form (or any designer), it shows the position and size of the
control you have selected, or the form itself. During compile, it shows a
progress bar.
>> code in a class and adding that class to your project.
>
> True, but in VB 2005 it's part of the language - no additional coding
> needed. Internally, these call .NET libraries.
Which is all fine and dandy... but, the additional coding you refer to
may've been done years ago and all it takes to get to it is to add a class
to the project. When VB gained the ability to use classes, that's all I ever
heard... everyone way saying "this is all about code reusability"... which
is right. Write it once, fully debug it and forget about it. Import when
needed.
> Speaking of functions, in VB 6, to return a value, you set the function
> name
> to the value and fall out of the function. In VB 2005, you can still do
> this or explicitely code "return <value>". The latter method is more
> familiar to someone coming from any other language.
I kinda like the 'Return' concept. It may've broken people's Gosub's but I
haven't used that since GW basic.
> My recommendation stands - anyone interested in VB 2005 should download
> and
> install the Beta, knowing that it is Beta and may require a reinstall of
> VS
See why I don't like beta's anymore? ;-) I must've reinstalled everything 20
times over the last couple of years... I'm just tired of doing that over and
over and over. Let someone else do it.. I'll wait for the RTM <g>
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