Re: Running WSS & Sharepoint Portal Server on the same Server
From: Greg McAllister (gmcallister_at_apexmicrotech.com)
Date: 07/08/04
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:19:38 -0700
The logic for developing this bit of magic was due to the MS Accelerator.
The accelerator talks about a small business with 20,000 plus users (my
guess is if your any smaller you can't contribute to their big picture:-o).
By breaking down all the figures the accelerator provided we were able to
determine what we would need and what cost, etc...
The process turned out we could actually go with 3 servers or maybe even two
in order to be in line with the accelerator. Instead we dropped the
accelerators definition of farm and said what does one server provide us.
Our biggest concern was disk utilization. We were able to keep our
throughput good by using a multiplaned array of disks. There are 3 planes -
the system disk is on one and data storage on the two larger ones. We placed
temp logs, SITE file and Site Transaction logs on the 500G array. The other
databases go the 250G array. Each of the arrays are on their own plane so
their Read/Writes do not interfere with each other.We worked with a variety
of combinations of file locations until we found the one the provided the
best throughput.
We may in the future move Project Server and Live communications server off
the Sharepoint Server but for now we are extremely pleased. Bandwidth usage
runs an average of 12%, CPU usage is about 48%, Page usage is about 48%. It
saved us a great expense by buying the healthy server versus buying 3 less
capable servers. And I am sure we can continue to tweak performance as
needed. The whole reason - we ARE a small company - 25 MIL. a year
manufacturing semiconductors with 85 employees roughly. As I explained to
the Sharepoint Services Director - it would behoove MS to look a little
closer at these smaller companies. They could sell quite a bit of stuff if
they were included in the equations that MS uses when developing their white
papers. In fact - we almost didn't buy Sharepoint because all the papers
were saying 20,000 plus employees.
Now that I have used the product - I would say it is truly too expensive for
a company our size but - it is an expense well worth the value!.
thanks - Greg!
"Mike Walsh" <englantilainen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u7A3v0KZEHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >I installed SPS and was unable to create any sites on the server until I
> had installed WSS.
>
> Against all logic but then so is running that lot on one server :)
>
> Interesting. Very Interesting.
>
> I'd be interested to get a comment from someone in MS close to the
> developers - do they envisage people needing to install standalone WSS on
> the same server where they already have SPS 2003 installed?
>
> Mike Walsh, Helsinki, Finland
>
>
> "Greg McAllister" <gmcallister@apexmicrotech.com> wrote in message
> news:OyQpfZHZEHA.2408@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Mike:
> >
> > I am at a lost - I have been running SPS, WSS, SQL 2000, Project Server
> 2003
> > and Live Communications on the same server for 6 months. Both SPS and
WSS
> > run together. In fact there is no reason they wouldn't. I installed SPS
> and
> > was unable to create any sites on the server until I had installed WSS.
So
> I
> > think you missed the target on that response. I just caught this in
> passing
> > by the way so that is why the late reply.
> >
> > You may ask how we do this? Simple I am on a very beefy machine. 4 - 2.4
> GHz
> > processors, 3 gig of ram, 800 gig of storage. We currently have 21
'sites'
> > and the portal has 10 portals. Project server has 12 running projects
and
> we
> > maintain Project sites on 70+ additional products. Live communications
> > server is handling 85 users with 50% being video and voice. There are
> > approximately 30 gigs of general documents and another 20 gigs of user
> data
> > stored. A full text search averages between 1.39 seconds (over 120,000
> > documents and lists) and 2.7 seconds. WSS searches are a little slower
> > running from 1.9 seconds to 5.2 seconds. We back up the portal fully
once
> a
> > day - we run transaction backups every two hours, I run individual sites
> > backups every three hours. We do full crawl once a day and incremental
> > crawls every two hours. As a side note we will lower some of the backup
> > frequency when every one is comfortable and our document updating drops
> down
> > to at least half of its current rate. We are approximately 90%
implemented
> > since April start date.
> >
> > If anybody should ask - feel free to pass them my way for the details.
> >
> >
> > "Mike Walsh" <englantilainen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23G$HlHNSEHA.3596@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > You have *sites*, yes. You don't have both *products* running however
> > which
> > > was the original question. The only product you have running is SPS
> 2003.
> > >
> > > Mike Walsh, Helsinki, Finland
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jon Smith" <na@na.com> wrote in message
> > > news:#WoESoLSEHA.3476@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > On a test server I just set up I did this and it worked fine,
basicly
> > what
> > > I
> > > > did was installed SPS whcih installed WSS and then I created a new
> site
> > > and
> > > > extened it with just WSS, so I have a full SPS and WSS sites running
> and
> > > it
> > > > seams to be fine.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Walsh" <englantilainen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:evLeFKLSEHA.3840@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > As Thomas points out with SPS 2003 containing WSS there is no
point
> in
> > > > > having both on the same server.
> > > > >
> > > > > I doubt if it would work and I have heard of nobody doing it. The
> > > recently
> > > > > issued KB article entitled "how to Install SPS 2003, WSS and
Project
> > > > Server
> > > > > 2003 on the same server" is in fact extremely badly titled is they
> > mean
> > > > How
> > > > > to Install SPS 2003 (or WSS) and Project Server 2003 on the same
> > server"
> > > > and
> > > > > this too is perhaps a bit stupid a title because Project Server
2003
> > > comes
> > > > > with WSS so it is part of the normal Project Server install to
> install
> > > WSS
> > > > > (presumably including having it on the same server).
> > > > >
> > > > > I have (to finally get to the point) heard of no-one here who runs
> > both
> > > > > *products* on the same server - but there are some who first
> installed
> > > WSS
> > > > > and then later installed SPS 2003 over it following the
appropriate
> MS
> > > KB
> > > > > article.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Walsh, Helsinki, Finland
> > > > > WSS FAQ at wss.collutions.com
> > > > > Please post questions to the newsgroup only.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Joe1" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1738901c448a8$697fb820$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> > > > > > Is it possible or even desirable to run WSS and SPS on the
> > > > > > same server? I have just started to research this and
> > > > > > wanted to know if anyone is currently running a simular
> > > > > > setup.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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