Re: To drag a file as parameter to script

"Al Dunbar" <AlanDrub@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Stefan Kanthak" <postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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"Al Dunbar" <AlanDrub@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Stefan Kanthak" <postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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"Al Dunbar" <AlanDrub@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Your address is wrong and creates backscatter!

obfuscating email addresses in newsgroups is commonly done to subvert
email
harvesting bots,

And this harvested wrong email address will be used and create
backscatter!

First, please note that I have already apologized for the inconvenience that
this has caused you.

I noticed this, and I appreciate it.

Since I have no time machine, I cannot undo the actual
harm you have felt, so an apology is likely the best you can expect.

Right. But you still use a wrong mail address.

But are you saying above that the incidental backscatter resulting from a
spammer including my obfuscated address in his distribution is more my fault
than that of the spammer?

Spam has been a problem for more than 10 years now.
It's a well known fact that spammers harvest addresses from every source
they get their dirty hands on. And it's a well known fact that spammers
use these harvested addresses both for sender and receiver.
So it's both fault. But you can change that on your side!

Your individual behaviour on the net should never harm others.

I should publish my actual email address widely so
the spam sent my way does not cause backscatter problems?

You should NEVER use an email address which can cause backscatter.
That does not imply to use your one-and-only address for usenet.
There are SO many means to fight spam.

and usually is something that a human can figure out the
correct address.

Why should a human undergo any effort to CORRECT an email address?

Indeed, you should not have to, and neither did you have to send me a
private email.

You participate in usenet, you are part of the internet. You publish
the address of your mailbox.

I certainly did not ask for it,

You write posts. See http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt

| 3.1.3 NetNews Guidelines

| - Send mail when an answer to a question is for one person only.

so therefore it was unsolicited,

Wrong. It would be a private answer/question to a public statement/post.
The idea of the 'net is: communication, direct from peer to peer; not
isolation, even in groups.

another form of email subversion. I do not generally
participate in newsgroups as a way of getting more email, but in order to
participate in the group discussion.

There are many communication channels besides group discussion.
Consider someone having a (very specific) question to just one participiant
(you) which is not of general (public) interest. That question would disturb
the group discussions. Again, see RFC 1855.

Obfuscated email addresses do not get
in the way of that, and I do not think one should be expected to give up
one's privacy in order to participate in an online forum.

You mix up privacy and email addresses.

Display names are for humans, addresses are for machines.
Reply-To: exists as well as MANY other means.

As I read it in my news reader, your "display name" is "Stefan Kanthak" and
mine is "Al Dunbar". My email address is the obfuscated one you objected to,
but yours is Postmaster@[127.0.0.1], and when I attempted to do a reply, my
email software left the to field blank.

Your email software or news reader is defective then!
It MUST use the address given in the Reply-To: header when you choose to
reply per mail.
BTW: according to the header you use Outlook Express, which for sure uses
the Reply-To:!

Pot calling kettle black, I think.

IBTD.
"postmaster@[127.0.0.1]" MUST exist on any host connected to the internet.
See RFC 1123.
Email clients MUST use Reply-To:, if given. See RFC (2)821/(2)822 and 1036.

I did not do this to frustrate you but to un-frustrate
myself. Sorry for the inconvenience.

That said, if there was something you wanted to email me privately, let
me
know and I will email you my correct email address.

See RFC 1518, the netiquette: using wrong email addresses perverts the
idea of communication.

Explain that to the many people I have communicated with effectively in this
and other newsgroups. Of course, some of them also obfuscate their email
addresses.

They all want to use the net, but dont want to play by its rules?
With all these "obfuscated" addresses they have an unfair share of the spam
problem themselves due to the backscatter their wrong behaviour creates.

The most common (or widely agreed upon) measure until now is to use
*@invalid or *@*.invalid as mail address: no mail server will accept/forward
mail for the well-known domain invalid (or its subdomains).

Once again: create some (empty) files with unknown extensions (like .PRN,
.PS oder .PCL for example) and drop them onto a "printer". Look what
happens.

Thats what <http://home.arcor.de/skanthak/print-to.html#print-to> is all
about. And <http://home.arcor.de/skanthak/send-to.html#send-to> may
enlighten
you further.

Thanks for the info, hopefully the OP will find it useful as well.

I hope so too.

Stefan

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