Re: Browsers browsers


"Dave Anderson" <GTSPXOESSGOQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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: Roland Hall wrote:
: >
: > [155 lines of quoting trimmed]
: > You're missing the point.
:
: And you're missing your manners. Please limit quoting to what is relevant.

Great. Now I can't reference those 155 lines I was saving for later.
Thanks.

: > It's a simple application. How hard could it be to work out a fix?
:
: [laughs uncontrollably]

Relax and quit standing in front of the mirror nekkid. (O:=

: If a web browser is such a simple application, why hasn't some high school
: kid written a bug-free, full-featured, fully-compliant one that just blows
: away those buggy behemoths written by huge companies?

1. High school kids (boys) are more interested in high school (girls),
especially geeks.
2. It's not a homework assignment or it would have probably already
happened.
3. I was referring to a simple application vs an OS integrated application.
Using that perspective, it's a much easier fix.

: > IE is tied in with the OS so it's more of a risk which would
: > explain why it takes longer to work out a fix in some cases.
:
: Yes - those CSS attribute selectors have been kicking IE's ass for some
time
: now, not to mention the bug in document.getElementById that selects NAMEs
: (when the method shouldn't look at names under any circumstances) over
IDs.
: How many years are too many years, Roland?

Ya', (smacks gum) FF has no issues with CSS and works perfectly. (cough)
Just route the discussion to the only parts you want to discuss. I don't
mind.

I'm not here to try to figure out why IE has not been updated or to try to
justify priority selection for MSFT. They are a commercial enterprise.
Clearly most decisions are probably made based on profitability. They also
have more than one product to worry about and I'm sure more than one lawsuit
going on at any one time, not to mention every open-source freak on the
planet with the ability to attack them or try to compromise their code
working overtime.

Being in front, makes you a target. There is not, has not and probaby never
will be a product written by any software company that everyone will like
completely, especially if that software company is at the top of the food
chain. Also, bug free or truly secure software does not exist on this
planet and never has.

I'm not blind to the unfairness on both sides. I'm tired of being caught in
the middle and having to support crappy products because some people think
every bit of software, including the OS needs to be free. When it walks
like a duck, talks like a duck and smells like a duck you call it what it
is, SOCIALISM! TANSTAAFL!!! If you ever took an economics class, you know
what the acronym stands for.

: > Mozilla: MSFT, you're cheating by not adding our product to your
: > product.
:
: W3C standards are not products of the Mozilla Organization.

but the Netscape browser was.

: > Mozilla's other face: After 80+ name changes, we have decided to
: > use FireFox as a name.
:
: Actually, Mozilla Firefox (only one capital letter) is only one of several
: products available from mozilla.org. It's not even the only browser.

That has nothing to do with what I said and I prefer to write it with 2
unless you think the acronym should be Ff.

: > It's better than IE because IE it tied to the OS.
:
: It's better than IE because it supports more standards, and is more
adaptive
: to bug reports. Furthermore, it invites you to not only report bugs, but
to
: discuss them and take part in fixing them.

Mozilla said the above and you're saying that's not true?

Some of the issues are such blatant crappy programming it's ridiculous. I
rate any product as crap when it fails simple tests like basic
functionality. It's not ready to be out of BETA.

: > I'm not so much an IE supporter as I am anti-FF. Why does
: > crashing one tab crash all other tabs?
:
: This is so much hooey. IE crashes take down all open IE windows. Mozilla
: crashes take down the Mozilla stack. BFD - there is no practical
difference.

That sounds like a comparison. My argument is not a comparison, it's just
that FF blows. You're thinking I'm happy with IE, I'm not. I'm not happy
with any browser. I think they all suck. I think OE needs a complete
overhaul too. It leaks memory like a sieve. I liked the stableness of W2K
much more than XP. I don't think it should cost $1200/annual for a MSDN
Universal subscription, etc. I don't like having to pay $2500-$20k for each
class to keep my MSFT/Cisco/Altiris/Novell certifications.

I get frustrated with MSFT too but I do with most software companies. There
are a few where I am pretty much satisfied, like SST Inc. for example. The
product, TracePlus/Ethernet works as promised and works well and I get great
support. Their logistics, obviously, are nowhere near what MSFT has to deal
with so they're not comparable in that regard.

I wish MSFT would separate IE and Windows Explorer and let IE just be a
browser. They could have a smaller group work on it and updates would come
out a lot sooner. I doubt it will ever happen because then the old argument
would resurface of MSFT not being fair by offering their browser with the
OS, which they wrote. How dare them include their product with their
product. I don't see Mozilla packaging any MSFT products with theirs. Just
so this is clear, IE is NOT free. It comes with the OS, which is NOT free.
That's like saying the tires on your car are free when you buy it. They're
not. It's included in the price. Does Linux include any MSFT products?
No? Why not?

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Roland Hall
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