Re: Browsers browsers

Roland Hall wrote:
"Kieren Evans" <"k_e_news[at]yahoo.REMOVEALLCAPITALSco[dot]uk"> wrote in message news:u63zfbwXFHA.3320@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: Roland Hall wrote:
: > "Randy Webb" wrote in message news:WaGdnQUEddeNnA3fRVn-vg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: > : Roland Hall wrote:
: > : >
: > : > It's all MSFT's fault? Is that what you're saying?
: > : >
: > : > When the standards committee gets off their ass and does something
: > perhaps
: > : > then we can envision standards. It's an inactive action committee,
: > a.k.a. a
: > : > useless piece of plastic.
: > :
: > : And what "action" do you propose?
: >
: > Any?
: >
: > : If people would code to the existing
: > : standards, let IE break on Standards Code, then people would bitch to
: > : MS, then MS might see it in their best interest to try to adhere to the
: > : standards. Until then, MS has no reason to even attempt to adhere to any
: > : standards, hence they create their own.
: >
: > If we only waited on the standards committee, the wheel never would have
: > been invented.
: >
: > : > Quirksmode is biased and FF is a POS and they're down to what, one
: > developer
: > : > in his spare time now? Most of the time working with FF is trying to
: > get it
: > : > to return a fricken error other than just ignoring the part it doesn't
: > like
: > : > and continuing.
: > :
: > : Example of FF ignoring error code? Or do you just not know how to open
: > : the JS console? The error messages in FF beat IE hands down.
: >
: > I wasn't aware I needed another window open to see a scripting error, which
: > then opens in another window to see the line with the error. That is
: > different than IE which offers an alert instead of requiring me to open up a
: > log file.
: >
: > That explains why they don't support vbscript, it would take another window.
: > How do you make it open it up in a tab? Isn't that one of the biggest raves
: > to use FF? They also don't support JScript, but MSFT, supports Javascript.
: > What if MSFT required the tag be JScript instead of also supporting
: > javascript? Who is being unreasonable now?
: >
: > Nowhere I have found in the help does it tell you this is required. There
: > also doesn't appear to be a shortcut key, which means after I visit each
: > page, I need to pick it off the menu OR keep another window open because
: > they are unable to offer me a way to have the console popup on error, or is
: > that another menu item I'm not aware of?
: >
:
: Not sure about the popup on error functionality built-in BUT one of the
: many features of FF is it's extensibility... the web developer toolbar
: extension is a must-have for any web developer
: http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/
: has settings to make it popup on error or on warning, has a quick and
: easy button added to the toolbar too ;)
:
: > I open up help and I got to "Help for Internet Explorer Users..." where I
: > find Mozilla Firefox's Features. One would think that might be at the top
: > of the list, rather than at the bottom. However it says:
: >
: > Pop-up Window Controls: Lets you allow or suppress both popup and pop-under
: > windows. (I'll come back to this one)
: >
: > Download Manager: Organizes your downloads by storing them in a single
: > window to minimize clutter. You have full access to download statistics
: > without using unnecessary multiple windows for each download.
: >
: > ... but I don't have that option with the javascript console. It is an
: > unnecessary window that adds to the clutter that should not be required to
: > see a simple error. At the very least, an option to allow it to popup on
: > errors should be available.
: >
: > You may notice I have copy/pasted the text from the help. However, after
: > selecting the text and right-clicking, copy is not an option. I had to
: > press CTRL+C. I guess it relates to the javascript console.
: >
: > The Help for IE users section is pretty much useless except I find this
: > interesting:
: >
: > Internet Explorer Firefox
: > Internet Options Options
: > Temporary Internet Files Cache
: > Favorites Bookmarks
: > Address Bar Location Bar
: > Refresh Reload
: > Links Bar Bookmarks Toolbar
: > Copy Shortcut Copy Link Location
: >
: > ... anything to be different.
: >
: > There is no Go button, but I can add it. I'm surprised it's not called
: > Surf.
: >
:
: This was done to help IE users migrate easier...

And as such, most don't know they can just press ENTER. Most people, at least in my experience, don't make modifications to settings unless they're real comfortable with a computer. Why wasn't this located under "Help for Internet Explorer Users..."? That's completely rhetorical.

Something I forgot to expand on...

In Mozilla's effort to completely be different from IE, they call the Address bar (IE) the Location bar (FF). However, in IE, it shows Address: but there is nothing to identify Location: in FF. If you right-click on the toolbars, location is not an option so why then call it something else? You turn off the navigation bar and the "location" bar disappears, along with other things. Am I missing another setting somewhere?

: > There is a New Tab button which is handy once, to open the first tab. Then
: > I can just double-click the tab header. In IE, I can hold down the shift
: > key when I click a link to get a new window. I can do the same thing in FF.
: > How do I open a link in a new tab as easy? Why doesn't it open in a new tab
: > rather than a new window? Why isn't it a selectable option in Options?
:
: CTRL-click opens link in new tab [HEAVILY documented]

CTRL+click open new tab in the background. CTRL+SHIFT+click, new tab, foreground. It's not documented in the search or the index. I was also looking for tab, not new.

I know this only works on a link but it doesn't say that. I can CTRL+click all day in the browser and nothing happens. I can even do it on the tab bar and nothing. There also isn't a tab bar until there's two tabs so double-clicking the tab bar is not possible unless the tab bar is viewable, obviously.

: SHIFT-click (same as IE)
: MIDDLE-CLICK - open link in new tab if a link is under mouse pointer

Which would imply the others work even without links or links that were not under the mouse pointer, but that's not correct.

I have a two button mouse. No middle button. Would this mean holding down both would simulate middle?

well then you lump with ctrl-click lol ;)

as and as per the tab settings about hidden until two tabs open, just goto advanced bit of the options and under tabbed browsing uncheck "hide the tab bar when one website is open"

i dont have time myself to address the other issues raised as trying to juggle revision for my AS level exams here, but im sure that somebody with more time can reply in more detail than me

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