Re: Browsers browsers

"Randy Webb" wrote in message news:WaGdnQUEddeNnA3fRVn-vg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: Roland Hall wrote:
: >
: > It's all MSFT's fault? Is that what you're saying?
: >
: > When the standards committee gets off their ass and does something
perhaps
: > then we can envision standards. It's an inactive action committee,
a.k.a. a
: > useless piece of plastic.
:
: And what "action" do you propose?

Any?

: If people would code to the existing
: standards, let IE break on Standards Code, then people would bitch to
: MS, then MS might see it in their best interest to try to adhere to the
: standards. Until then, MS has no reason to even attempt to adhere to any
: standards, hence they create their own.

If we only waited on the standards committee, the wheel never would have
been invented.

: > Quirksmode is biased and FF is a POS and they're down to what, one
developer
: > in his spare time now? Most of the time working with FF is trying to
get it
: > to return a fricken error other than just ignoring the part it doesn't
like
: > and continuing.
:
: Example of FF ignoring error code? Or do you just not know how to open
: the JS console? The error messages in FF beat IE hands down.

I wasn't aware I needed another window open to see a scripting error, which
then opens in another window to see the line with the error. That is
different than IE which offers an alert instead of requiring me to open up a
log file.

That explains why they don't support vbscript, it would take another window.
How do you make it open it up in a tab? Isn't that one of the biggest raves
to use FF? They also don't support JScript, but MSFT, supports Javascript.
What if MSFT required the tag be JScript instead of also supporting
javascript? Who is being unreasonable now?

Nowhere I have found in the help does it tell you this is required. There
also doesn't appear to be a shortcut key, which means after I visit each
page, I need to pick it off the menu OR keep another window open because
they are unable to offer me a way to have the console popup on error, or is
that another menu item I'm not aware of?

I open up help and I got to "Help for Internet Explorer Users..." where I
find Mozilla Firefox's Features. One would think that might be at the top
of the list, rather than at the bottom. However it says:

Pop-up Window Controls: Lets you allow or suppress both popup and pop-under
windows. (I'll come back to this one)

Download Manager: Organizes your downloads by storing them in a single
window to minimize clutter. You have full access to download statistics
without using unnecessary multiple windows for each download.

.... but I don't have that option with the javascript console. It is an
unnecessary window that adds to the clutter that should not be required to
see a simple error. At the very least, an option to allow it to popup on
errors should be available.

You may notice I have copy/pasted the text from the help. However, after
selecting the text and right-clicking, copy is not an option. I had to
press CTRL+C. I guess it relates to the javascript console.

The Help for IE users section is pretty much useless except I find this
interesting:

Internet Explorer Firefox
Internet Options Options
Temporary Internet Files Cache
Favorites Bookmarks
Address Bar Location Bar
Refresh Reload
Links Bar Bookmarks Toolbar
Copy Shortcut Copy Link Location

.... anything to be different.

There is no Go button, but I can add it. I'm surprised it's not called
Surf.

There is a New Tab button which is handy once, to open the first tab. Then
I can just double-click the tab header. In IE, I can hold down the shift
key when I click a link to get a new window. I can do the same thing in FF.
How do I open a link in a new tab as easy? Why doesn't it open in a new tab
rather than a new window? Why isn't it a selectable option in Options?

So, I decide to start at the top of the Help file and work my way through.
Remember the Popup Window Controls I said I would come back to? And let's
not forget the non-clutter feature of using a single window.

I click on "Mozilla FireFox Help". In the right pane, I see a very liberal
use of white space, almost ridiculously so. I see a link which has an arrow
and a globe image. Being the savvy user I am except for that javascript
console thang, I click on "Troubleshooting" because I can't see the errors
for my javascript. (O:= Maybe this will tell me how to troubleshoot FF?!
A pop-under window comes up and at this point, the help window goes modal,
at least with regard to the FF windows. I guess the pop-under feature only
works against others. It didn't replace the FF window I already had open,
it opened a new one which means I now have three windows. How many
unnecessary windows does it take to define clutter? I have to minimize the
Help window to see the other FF windows and access them. I can click other
non-FF windows I have open and they come to the front, just not FF windows.
I wonder if the first bit of help would be how to avoid or work around this
current situation? Nope. Troubleshooting actually takes me to a FAQ and
neither the new issue or the javascript console seem to be listed. Hmmm...

I'm sure these are all benefits because they're "different" than IE but I
just don't see how helpful or user-friendly they are.

And of course you gotta' love this. "IE is tied to the OS and supports
VBScript and ActiveX which makes it unsafe. FF is safe because it's not
tied to the OS, does not support VBScript or ActiveX."

Let's see how effective that is...
http://kotp.blogspot.com/2005/05/flaws-found-in-firefox_10.html

"useless piece of plastic"

--
Roland Hall
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